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Disfellowshiping

Disfellowshiping is a lynchpin for Jehovah's Witnesses they hang all their other doctrines upon claiming to be a clean people, hence, boasting in making them acceptable to God, while at the same time pointing fingers at the uncleanness in other religions that don't disfellowship their members for the same conduct.

1 Corinthians 5:6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast leavens the whole lump?

Its hard to argue when people do unseemly things bring reproach upon a group in not throwing them out. Yet, lets be clear, a person cannot be a fleshly person and perform the type of disfellowshiping recorded in their bibles by Holy Spirit. The dichotomy is for Jehovah's Witness because their entire organization is built from works of law making them a fleshly people and not spiritual according to God's word the bible!

John 6:63 It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.

John 8:15 You judge according to the flesh. I judge no one.

In other words, every organization in the world, from government to business puts people out for bad conduct. Yes, if we have been fired off a job we were disfellowship by a fleshly organization. However, this is not what the apostle Paul was talking about in Corinthian's. Paul there refers to a spiritual disfellowshiping out of love, not fleshly out of hate, which is getting read of the problem, killing it away from the group so the group would not look bad to other fleshly people.

1 Corinthians 5:5 are to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

The Body of Christ Disfellowshiping

Let us not be fooled if we plant with the view of the flesh we will reap the reward of the flesh, how does this apply to this discussion?

Simply put, The flesh for those in Christ has already been disfellowship put to death in Christ, their flesh no longer exist in God's judgment. The question is what is being saved, the flesh or the spirit of the person?

2 Corinthians 5:16 Therefore we know no one after the flesh from now on. Even though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now we know him so no more.

Romans 8:8 Those who are in the flesh can't please God.

You see, lets be clear again, God disfellowship mankind's flesh in the Garden of Eden it was handed over to whom? Satan for the its destruction because all mankind would be born into sin, and died because of sin that Satan caused. The flesh taints the spirit in us, so God dealt with that also by atonement for our sins setting us straight again so we could stand before God in spirit. The blood before Christ came to earth was animal blood, which is a temporarily atonement for sin, year to year.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don't find it doing that which is good.

The law made clear that we were in death from sin, disfellowshiped from complete association with God's Spirit giving us everlasting life with God. The blood was not for the fleshes purity, the blood was for a life given by God's mercy so Israel could have a spiritual standing with God, not a physical standing in the power of their flesh with God.

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Isa.6:5 Then I said, "Woe is me! For I am undone, because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for my eyes have seen the King, Yahweh of Armies!"
6:6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar.
6:7 He touched my mouth with it, and said, "Behold, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away, and your sin forgiven."

Who was it that purchased the first fruits of God, that is, his children? Was it the law? How about the flesh and teaching against sins of the flesh, or was it Christ who killed our flesh in his own body of righteousness? Who's body was Paul dealing with in disfellowship this brother, the body of legislated laws, or was Paul dealing with works of law, by doing good in the flesh, or the spirit body of Christ, God's temple? Who indeed on God's earth could separate flesh from the Spirit, was man in his flesh by religious laws? was it Paul? No! Was it Jewish law? No! It would have to be Christ the one having the Spirit of God the head of his own spirit body, there is only one Spirit, one body, so who would have to separate the evil of the flesh from this brothers, that is, being cherished and loved by our Lord as himself as part of his own body, that is, his very being, or would it be some earthly organization by works of law, corporate man made law?

Heb. 4:12 For the word of God is living, and active, and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing even to the dividing of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and is able to discern the thoughts and intentions of the heart. 4:13 There is no creature that is hidden from his sight, but all things are naked and laid open before the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 4:14 Having then a great high priest, who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold tightly to our confession.

Eph.5:23 For the husband is the head of the wife, and Christ also is the head of the assembly, being himself the savior of the body.
5:24 But as the assembly is subject to Christ, so let the wives also be to their own husbands in everything. 5:25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the assembly, and gave himself up for it; 5:26 that he might sanctify it, having cleansed it by the washing of water with the word, 5:27 that he might present the assembly to himself gloriously, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
5:28 Even so husbands also ought to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loves himself.
5:29 For no man ever hated his own flesh; but nourishes and cherishes it, even as the Lord also does the assembly;
5:30 because we are members of his body, of his flesh and bones.

The Bitter Truth

Has one person that's been disfellowshiped by the WTS put away the filth of their flesh? that is the first and foremost question we need to ask ourselves in truth and Spirit? Well, not according to the bible, which says its impossible without being killed in our flesh, to put its sins away, we simply must ask God for a clean conscience based upon Christ life, based upon Christ merit he gained/earned for us in dying faithful.

Galatians 5:24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.

Galatians 6:8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

Other than that, we do no more than jail the desires of the flesh by strong fleshly discipline just like every other fleshly organization does upon this earth through its laws to punish the flesh for bad conduct. How about the fruits of disfellowshiping have they been bitter or sweet like Christ in freely forgiving us our sins once for all time? Conversely, has JW's fruits from disfellowshiping brought in Christ Jesus righteousness or hypocrisy of a double standards?

James 3:18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

Titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy, he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,

Who really is my brothers and sisters, was question Christ the truth ask all of us? Was it only those of the flesh, or were those of the flesh not Christ real brothers and sister? Who should be given more respect and love? Those of our flesh, or those born new in Christ our spiritual brothers and sisters?

John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, just like I have loved you; that you also love one another.

Luke 14:26 "If anyone comes to me, and doesn't hate his own father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters, yes, and his own life also, he can't be my disciple.

Luke 8:21 But he answered them, "My mother and my brothers are these who hear the word of God, and do it."

Once again, flesh reign in hypocrisy among JW's witnesses, a brother will be disfellowship and they will cross the street not to face him, for fear of uncleanness, and will never again contact him not unless he crawls his way back into the WTS in complete humiliation over and over again, never forgetting some mistake he has made once for all time by WTS standards. Let a family member be disfellowship and the members family will find away to associated with them. Just the opposite of what Christ taught and did while upon earth.

2 Corinthians 7:1 Having therefore these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all defilement of flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

The bitter truth is, millions of spiritual lives have been destroyed by the WTS presumptuous actions in the fleshly disfellowshiping to save face with the world and protect the legal empire called the WTS from law suits. They have stumbled the little ones, they have doled out forgiveness by works of law while claiming they honor Christ, who himself forgave them freely once for all time by his precious life. The WTS cannot separate the flesh, as dead, of no value at all from the spirit of those they disfellowship. Nor can they hand the flesh over to Satan for its destruction.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, isn't the Father's, but is the world's.

2 Peter 2:18 For, uttering great swelling words of emptiness, they entice in the lusts of the flesh, by licentiousness, those who are indeed escaping from those who live in error;

Colossians 2:23 Which things indeed appear like wisdom in self-imposed worship, and humility, and severity to the body; but aren't of any value against the indulgence of the flesh.

They are legalist, blood guilty, of judging, measure out justice by laws abolished in Christ against Christ body members. They have sought to destroy the temple of God on earth by public accusation against what God has declared righteous, by laws created for the wicked and not the righteous.

Matt.7:1 "Don't judge, so that you won't be judged.
7:2 For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you. 7:3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye? 7:4 Or how will you tell your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye;' and behold, the beam is in your own eye? 7:5 You hypocrite! First remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.

Bitter have been the fruit for all JW's over disfellowshiping it has created ever work of the flesh for its members in hates, fights, envy, contempt, disrespect, fear and distrust of man and God. It has corrupted the minds of members thinking they have a legal right upon earth to take Christ position as the head of his body, and administer by man made laws justice to it.

James. 3:6 And the tongue is a fire. The world of iniquity among our members is the tongue, which defiles the whole body, and sets on fire the course of nature, and is set on fire by Gehenna.{or, Hell}
3:7 For every kind of animal, bird, creeping thing, and thing in the sea, is tamed, and has been tamed by mankind.
3:8 But nobody can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.
3:9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who are made in the image of God.
3:10 Out of the same mouth comes forth blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so.
3:11 Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water?
3:12 Can a fig tree, my brothers, yield olives, or a vine figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh water.
3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by his good conduct that his deeds are done in gentleness of wisdom.
3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, don't boast and don't lie against the truth.
3:15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, sensual, and demonic. 3:16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition are, there is confusion and every evil deed. 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceful, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.

Boasting in The Flesh

Only a fool would boast in what is dead to God, only a person believing the lie would state disfellowshiping of the flesh, by fleshly laws creates a spiritual paradise. Such rank hypocrisy has tainted the spirit of many of good people looking for the truth. They have been mislead, but many at the sametime can't let go of the idea of righteousness in the flesh, for Spirit and truth.

Romans 3:10 As it is written, "There is no one righteous; no, not one.

Matthew 25:37 "Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink?

Matthew 23:28 Even so you also outwardly appear righteous to men, but inwardly you are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

Romans 9:32 Why? Because they didn't seek it by faith, but as it were by works of the law. They stumbled over the stumbling stone;

Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith says this, "Don't say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'{Deuteronomy 30:12} (that is, to bring Christ down);

They become a slave yoked too the flesh by WTS teachings, being depress, tossed about by a cruel mother whom can't clean her own flesh by the same rules. Harsh is her love, like a prostitute that takes what is cherish and loved from a husband, then mistreats it making it into nothing more than an abuse slave for its own fleshly desires of greatness before other men of the flesh.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Romans 3:20 Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight. For through the law comes the knowledge of sin.

Romans 6:19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh, for as you presented your members as servants to uncleanness and to wickedness upon wickedness, even so now present your members as servants to righteousness for sanctification.

When one piece of net is pulled all comes unraveled, such human philosophy, and justification puts people into a web of a spider the harder they pull against it the greater the risk of the spider pouncing upon the victim. They will be cruelly put out, just as they have turned a blind eye to those put out and never helped spiritually. They are next if the pull to hard on the web, so they lay low in the spiders web hoping not toget caught for fear of death from the organization.

1 Corinthians 6:16 Or don't you know that he who is joined to a prostitute is one body? For, "The two," says he, "will become one flesh."{Genesis 2:24}

Those put to death in the flesh, by Christ life, have commune with Christ in a Spirit paradise daily without the approval of any man on earth. They commune with the bread of life, not the flesh from a man made organization dolling out the ransom sacrifice of Christ out a piece at a time by works of law to maintain power and control of the person.

Galatians 2:16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law, because no flesh will be justified by the works of the law.

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me. That life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.

Taking Christ Righteousness

Imputing evil is easy, why? Because all of us sin, we all have good motives, but bad as well. We all have a piece of sin in our eyes that everyone can see. That piece is unrighteous it is evil, and there is no getting around our sins now is there?

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

The WTS and its members have chosen to ignore their own filth of the flesh for keeping the rafter in their own eye for the hate of the sin in their brothers eye.

How easy it is to punish someone else sin and not a family member for a sin that looks worst than ours. Nation kill people all the time, bombs are dropped, people lives are destroyed and forgotten about just to get read of a problem, no regret, just killing the evil that affect us!

Luke 12:8 "I tell you, everyone who confesses me before men, him will the Son of Man also confess before the angels of God;

John 9:22 His parents said these things because they feared the Jews; for the Jews had already agreed that if any man would confess him as Christ, he would be put out of the synagogue.

John 12:42 Nevertheless even of the rulers many believed in him, but because of the Pharisees they didn't confess it, so that they wouldn't be put out of the synagogue.

Corporations do the same, business do it all the time, its a job, read the rules if not applied get read of the person, its make a good business sense, it make a person a good manager. Should it surprise a person that an elder gets a good name for killing the problem out of the kingdom hall?

John 5:44 How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?

Why help them back good readn's! The problem is boasting they are doing so in Christ name and Jehovah's God's name. How have the little ones become righteous in the first place, was it by WTS laws, if so, good bye if not obeyed. But if as the bible teaches not by human righteousness at all, but Christ own righteousness watch out!

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.

Philippians 3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own, that which is of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

Now they have thrown Christ out, declaring him weak to sin, and unable to make his body members stand without the help of WTS fleshly rules. They have seated themselves as the head of the body, hence, in the temple of God, Christ Jesus, as the authority to remove body members because of flesh that is already dead in Christ, what a foolish slave, a foolish person calling themselves faithful and wise servant of God. They do not know how faith works in the Spirit, one more gift given freely in Christ, nor do they know the power of in a righteous man's prayer, Christ, and/or the brothers of Christ made righteous by his own righteousness. WTS fleshly teaching can't administer the Spirit of God as a physician, because they are not stewards of the God's Spirit, but of fleshly laws of a legal corporation.

James 5:16 Confess your offenses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The insistent prayer of a righteous person is powerfully effective.

Hebrews 10:38 But the righteous will live by faith. If he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him."{Habakkuk 2:3-4}

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us the sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

They are condemn and condemn others living in fear of God and his love. They do not understand the power of Christ kingdom how it transforms lives, not realizing God did not turn to mankind's wisdom or the world to make new his children, that is transform them!

Ephesians 3:7 of which I was made a servant, according to the gift of that grace of God which was given me according to the working of his power.

Ephesians 3:16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, that you may be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man;

Ephesians 3:20 Now to him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us.

Colossians 1:11 strengthened with all power, according to the might of his glory, for all endurance and perseverance with joy;

Colossians 1:13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the Kingdom of the Son of his love;

Colossians 2:10 and in him you are made full, who is the head of all principality and power;

God is birthing his Spirit children and is the corrector, disciplinarian of them without making exceptions. None will take a position presumptuously as corrector of flesh before God Spirit lead and direct children and remain innocent. The flesh cannot correct the Spirit, it does not work that way. All the flesh can do is oppose God's Spirit it is of no value at all in God's children, they known no one by flesh any longer as being made new in Spirit.

2 Thessalonians 2:4 he who opposes and exalts himself against all that is called God or that is worshiped; so that he sits as God in the temple of God, setting himself up as God.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Don't you know that you are a temple of God, and that God's Spirit lives in you? 3:17 If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for God's temple is holy, which you are.

If a person is not appointed by Holy Spirit they cannot judge what is righteous, because they are judging from human righteousness, and not Christ righteousness as they should, him being their head, they themselves being made righteous from dead work by his life in them, not their judgment of flesh and its sins.

Romans 12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Don't set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Don't be wise in your own conceits.

Luke 10:21 In that same hour Jesus rejoiced in the Holy Spirit, and said, "I thank you, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for so it was well-pleasing in your sight."

1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, I will bring the discernment of the discerning to nothing."{Isaiah 29:14}

Christ judged no one in the flesh knowing it was already judged as dead and of no value to our spiritual eternal life, can the WTS make that claim, you be the judge!

1 Corinthians 3:18 Let no one deceive himself. If anyone thinks that he is wise among you in this world, let him become a fool, that he may become wise.

1 Corinthians 4:10 We are fools for Christ's sake, but you are wise in Christ. We are weak, but you are strong. You have honor, but we have dishonor.

1 Corinthians 6:5 I say this to move you to shame. Isn't there even one wise man among you who would be able to decide between his brothers?

1 Corinthians 10:15 I speak as to wise men. Judge what I say.

Jude 1:25 to God our Savior, who alone is wise, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and forever. Amen.

Daniel

Completed: May 13, 2016

by: Daniel a Slave of Christ

Part Two

Here is the issue that ends up being works of law. The question regarding disfellowshiping was not that we can stop sinning? It was not about if we can stop sinning by our actions we take in our against our flesh by laws created to punish the flesh by condemning it to death? The question was can the flesh stop sinning by human means? Moreover, are people spiritual enough in the WTS to separate the flesh from the Spirit?

Colossians 2:23 Which things indeed appear like wisdom in self-imposed worship, and humility, and severity to the body; but aren't of any value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, that you may not do the things that you desire.

We have no doubt as students of our bibles in what God did with the flesh for his anointed children? He did not use our efforts in impaled it! God impaled it for us and then raised it up into a new man, something never done before on the face of this earth before Christ was on earth! That is why its called a new creation.

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me. That life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.

Galatians 2:16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law, because no flesh will be justified by the works of the law.

Romans 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile towards God; for it is not subject to God's law, neither indeed can it be.

Galatians 3:5 He therefore who supplies the Spirit to you, and works miracles among you, does he do it by the works of the law, or by hearing of faith?

New, meaning, without sin, but yet living in the sinful flesh still dying from sin, because the flesh can't stop sinning or God would not have killed the flesh in Christ. If God had not done that we would not be sinless, in Christ as a new creation. The new creation was created not from the old flesh born into sin that cannot put away sin by is own salvation. But into a new person Jesus Christ without sin making us righteous by his life in dwelling us not our flesh but Spirit, who then can separates the corrupt flesh from the spirit, man or God? Who has the power in the Spirit to hand over the flesh to Satan? Certainly not fleshly WTS rules? Hence, and for what purpose? A better flesh, a little cleaner flesh that's destine to sin yet more, or is it the destruction of our flesh by God that stop sin? God's anointed are sinless in Spirit in Christ, there is no other way to stop sinning on earth by Christ righteousness.

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death.

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ, our Lord! So then with the mind, I myself serve God's law, but with the flesh, the sin's law.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don't find it doing that which is good.

1 John 3:9 Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God.

1Cor.5:3 For I most certainly, as being absent in body but present in spirit, have already, as though I were present, judged him who has done this thing. 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, you being gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5:5 are to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
5:6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast leavens the whole lump?

It is the leaven of sin from our flesh and its teaching that permeates the whole lump of unleavened bread into sin which is fit for one thing destruction. It not out our flesh being made clean and/or a better flesh, but completely destruction of it by God's power, how can that be done by any laws created to punish sinful flesh enforced by the WTS? it can't be! Only Christ can do that, not us.

1 Timothy 1:9 as knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers.

Hebrews 7:16 who has been made, not after the law of a fleshly commandment, but after the power of an endless life:

Hebrews 7:19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

No human can put away the filth of their own flesh it is an unbiblical teaching. No person can say I have no sin, and say: "I get up in the morning and never have a bad thought, because I am tough on my flesh not letting it sin". No person plucks out an eye or cuts off a hand for sins coming from our hearts.

James.3:2 For in many things we all stumble. If anyone doesn't stumble in word, the same is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body also.

James.3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, don't boast and don't lie against the truth. 3:15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, sensual, and demonic. 3:16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition are, there is confusion and every evil deed.

Can a person without God Holy Spirit even understand the separating of our sinful flesh from the Spirit, and that is the fundamental evil of the WTS where men whom think they can perfect the flesh and make it stop sinning when God himself does not! Instead God kills it, impaled it in Christ and stopping its continue judgment of sin by his righteous laws.

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy, he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit.

Philippians 3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own, that which is of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

If we could obey perfectly in our flesh, Christ giving his life for us would have been in vain. If the holy writings were enough to stop humans from sinning than Christ would not have had to suffer in the likeness of flesh. God would have just said do it or die. And that is what he did for thousand's of years until his own people got the point they could not do it, all were dying in the flesh, and nothing good dwelt in it to be reformed thus he sent us life, not death, we already had death in the flesh, and no law brought it back to life, so God sent us life, in Christ Jesus. (Spirit, not more death by laws condemning the flesh as not irreformable.)

Romans 6:10 For the death that he died, he died to sin one time; but the life that he lives, he lives to God.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 7:10 The commandment, which was for life, this I found to be for death;

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.

Romans 8:6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace;

Now it was not the point of this post that its OK to sin, or if we can be tough enough on our flesh we can take sin out of us by plucking out our eye by strong legal measure of the WTS? Nor was the subject its OK to sin because we have been declared righteous and our judgment of our flesh has been removed? No! If God hates sin, and our flesh cannot remove sin by commandments, than how could one teach we love sin? This work is not of man that is the point, the WTS is man completely fleshly. That witness is found in the very power of the blood which testifies against anyone thinking they can have eternal life by their own will, by there own works of obeying the commandments in their sinful flesh.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God who works in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.

Ephesians 3:20 Now to him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared before that we would walk in them.

Ephesians 2:9 not of works, that no one would boast.

Ephesians 1:11 in whom also we were assigned an inheritance, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who works all things after the counsel of his will;

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse. For it is written, "Cursed is everyone who doesn't continue in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them."{Deuteronomy 27:26}

God killed sin, by putting us in his son life, we do not put ourselves in Christ by some work of our flesh, and when we don't teach that, we are teaching works of the law from the fallen flesh, dead works God has judges dead in his son's sinless righteous life, by our faith, not our flesh efforts, we don't have that power. We do not sin, by being in something not sinful which cannot be our dead flesh, it is literally being in a new person that is declared righteous by God, which means without sin. That person is Christ Jesus, and no other person on earth is sanctified and made righteous without Christ life indwelling them by God's unmerited kindness, not some unmerited kindness, and a little of our works dead from our fallen flesh mixed into Christ, but by God's gift of unmerited kindness totally and completely undeserved as a person judge dead because of sin.

2 Corinthians 11:30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that concern my weakness.

2 Corinthians 10:17 But "he who boasts, let him boast in the Lord."{Jeremiah 9:24}

1 Corinthians 4:7 For who makes you different? And what do you have that you didn't receive? But if you did receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not toward God.

Once again we are not talking about condoning sin, we are talking about how God makes us sinless by our faith in Christ Jesus, not by how good we can be on one day obeying a commandment a little better than the day before it, we are not talking about the flesh at all being made sinless by some work. We are talking about being made righteous, that is, remember, righteousness is sinless in Christ not by our righteousness, but Christ and how the WTS are men still found in the elementary doctrines of Christ repenting from dead works, our flesh, trying to perfect that which our Lord and master said was of no value at all.

1Cor. 4:1 So let a man think of us as Christ's servants, and stewards of God's mysteries. 4:2 Here, moreover, it is required of stewards, that they be found faithful. 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you, or by man's judgment. Yes, I don't judge my own self. 4:4 For I know nothing against myself. Yet I am not justified by this, but he who judges me is the Lord. 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each man will get his praise from God.

These post are posted for one purpose to show that the WTS has no idea of this important topic, and frankly, its a subject few understand let alone teach in religion. If we can't get the very elementary teachings down that why do we push on to build a structure Christ destroyed thousand's of years ago stripping the powers to be by his life, killing the power of our sinful flesh?

Heb. 6:1 Therefore leaving the doctrine of the first principles of Christ, let us press on to perfection--not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, of faith toward God,
6:2 of the teaching of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
6:3 This will we do, if God permits. 6:4 For concerning those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
6:5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,

Col.2:13 You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 2:14 wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us; and he has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross; 2:15 having stripped the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 3:5 You know that he was revealed to take away our sins, and in him is no sin.

1 John 3:6 Whoever remains in him doesn't sin. Whoever sins hasn't seen him, neither knows him.

Daniel

The problem is, when Christ was upon earth he was fulling the old covenant, hence, teaching from it, and also giving us previews into the new covenant.

He gave us many examples where he forgive sins that would have cost a person life under the old covenant, showing that he was life, a new covenant and his blood it was his blood his life that would soon shed to bring it about, the law of life. Religion goes back into those parts of Christ speaking of the law and brings them forth into the new covenant.

But the apostles once under the new covenant that is in Christ did not do that at all. It is conspicuously missing, the problems was for those under the new covenant not bring the old back that was the central issue for those brothers.

Christ alluded to the rule of law in dealing with a brother under the old covenant. But within that same legal action was the truth of the new covenant previewed the Spirit would soon teach his disciples. Which was: “How many times am I to forgive my brother seven time? No! Unlimited as God has you under the new covenant”.

Nor do we see the rule of law for two witness being establishes under the new covenant, why? Because they were not dealing with fleshly witness, they like Christ were dealing with Spirit and truth, that being supplied too them from God thru Christ are two witness God's children have with them forever, a greater witness that does not lie, unlike the fallen flesh required when bring a charge.

Philippians 1:8 For God is my witness, how I long after all of you in the tender mercies of Christ Jesus.

Rom.8:33 Who could bring a charge against God's chosen ones? It is God who justifies. 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, yes rather, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

No need for two witness when Peter under Holy Spirit spoke its judgment upon Ananias and his wife.

The WTS leaves in the flesh, and it has cost them dearly by such accusation thinking they are upholding God's righteousness in their flesh.

Dear brothers,

I want to talk specifically to those crushed by WTS teaching left dismayed and confused.

When we come to understand that salvation means we cannot save ourselves, but it is by faith alone in Christ Jesus we start to understand all the Holy writings which will heal us in God's love.

The story of Peter walking on the water, which the WTS completely misses is all of our story when accepting Jesus Christ. Once Peter doubted, how? By looking at his own power in his flesh to hold himself up on the water he sank into the wicked sea of his flesh. Every story in God saving his people taught throughout your bible there is but one lesson? Salvation does not come from man, or any organization, but in putting faith in God, and his Son Christ Jesus to save us “completely”.

The WTS tells its members to look at them instead of Christ, put faith in their teaching and works in your flesh and you will have salvation. That is why the WTS is in the flesh like Peter when doubting Christ power to save him completely by not putting faith in his own self. Salvation is a miraculous act of God outside of human power. That is the story of your bible.

When Israel was delivered miraculously out of Egypt, what got them into trouble with God? It was putting faith in their own salvation, going back to Egypt in their hearts, wanting to prove they were good enough after millions of lives were destroyed by God to miraculously save them. This is the other theme of your bible, saved than the desire to prove oneself saved by their own effort, their own works by laws of the bible or of men.

Why do WTS member preach? What are they proving? What fear is instilled into them if they don't preach? Loss of salvation according to the teaching of the WTS. In other words, they are going to save themselves by preaching, and if not they will not be saved.

But Israel was taught by God one thing? That man does not live on bread alone, but by every utterance coming from God's mouth. He sent them miraculously bread from heaven, why? So they could not say we saved ourselves by our works in the desert.

Now please listen carefully, what was common in them is common in all humans. The WTS would like you to believe they are unique, above it all, special and chosen, but it is one more lie. Humans want to improve, not just WTS members, all humans in all endeavors want to improve by what? Their own works, in government, religion and business pushing themselves to prove they are better, and worthy.

What is common is works of law to all human society that have ever existed on earth, trying to meet some requirements religious or otherwise to be accepted and part of the group. The WTS puts itself into Christ position, claiming to tell you and me what is acceptable to God Jehovah and Christ in our faith, while instead putting faith in them so they can give you salvation.

You could have been in Israel millions, but only one thing would have saved you, your faith despite whatever one else was doing. Not faith in elder, the governing body, or even your bible, but one things, the blood of the passover lamb sprinkled on your door post by your faith alone. That is the story of your bible, not many faith's, but one that you have alone, despite all other teaching and distraction.

When one is crushed by the WTS disfellowshiping it often happen they have been wore out trying to prove themselves righteous in their flesh, something Peter could not do when trying to walk on the water. Then they fail in their flesh hard into greater sin. They give up, and are dismayed, depressed, and some even kill themselves believing they are not worthy enough to pray for fear of WTS teaching they are too wicked for God to hear them.

Salvation is not just accepting Christ it is the on going miraculous work of Christ by Holy Spirit in saving us each day and completely. Christ never taught you or me we could save ourselves by some work we do or don't do in our flesh, he saved us, because of the work he did for us because we could not do it being our flesh cannot be made clean or perfect (sinless by some good work we are doing). This is the point of a frank discussion about truth and Spirit that we may come back to God, in God strength, and not our own. That we come to understand the flesh does wear out, the flesh is but a flower that dies in the hot Sun than all of our loving kindness vanish in a mist. That it is the Spirit that gives us wings like and eagle, and renews us, the inner man, and God's loving kindness never vanishes it will have certain and complete success if we have faith in him alone.

Faith in the flesh has to fail, look around you, and all that flesh has created in its wisdom, its all failing. We must maintain faith in the power of an unshakable kingdom, not us, not man, not a religion, God did none of what the WTS disfellowship you for. God never ask you to be perfect in the flesh, but that he would perfect your faith in his strength and not your own just as he did Peter your brother. God ask us to confess our sins to loving righteous men that would pray for you and Christ righteousness working in you would heal and save you. But remember they have no more righteousness open to them than anyone searching for God Jehovah, the righteousness is Christ, and he will give it too you if there are no human to help you at all, his hand is not short it can find you in the deep hole of this life, have faith.

Trust in Jehovah in all the strength He has not have left you , and he will not leave you, he will not forget, he will not mock you, he will not discourage you, come to him, while he may yet be found.

Danny , I have a sister who is disfellowshipped .And she said you get disfellowshipped for unrepentant sin and to clean Jehovah's organization . Now how should I reply back to that ? I have been trying to think of something to say, maybe Jehovah's spirit isn't there say !

Agape love Sandra

Hi Sandra!

You are correct if one association with the WTS and they are honestly searching for the truth and yet not see by their association the many flaws of disfellowshiping then a conversation about the subject will fall on death ears. However, for those reading here I will cover some points and perhaps I will hit on something that God's Spirit will help you. and provide your sister some information that will make her think, if not now maybe in the future?

John 3:21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God."

You make two points that all those associating with the WTS often repeat and think in. 1.) unrepentant sinners, and 2.) keeping the WTS clean.

The word unrepentant sinner is a fear inspiring word that immediately prejudice the listener to any reasoning based upon truth, or love! That judgment is not a new judgments it has been the judgment render by the evil one from the start of his rebellion.

John 9:16 Some therefore of the Pharisees said, "This man is not from God, because he doesn't keep the Sabbath." Others said, "How can a man who is a sinner do such signs?" There was division among them.

John 9:24 So they called the man who was blind a second time, and said to him, "Give glory to God. We know that this man is a sinner."

However, what the listener does not realize and particularly WTS members is that Christ Jesus himself was considered by the teachers of Israel an unrepentant sinner? let clarify this point further it was those entrusted with the holy writing appointed by God based upon which tribe of Israel they were born into, for some two thousand's that got it wrong? One man's righteous blood misjudged by God's own righteous law caused the destruction of their entire system of things, so such judgments are life and death decisions..

Proverbs 4:19 The way of the wicked is like darkness. They don't know what they stumble over.

Matthew 18:6 but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to stumble, it would be better for him that a huge millstone should be hung around his neck, and that he should be sunk in the depths of the sea.

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart; and you will find rest for your souls.

The question is how did they get is so wrong? How could they kill, disfellowship, a sinless man that the law could not judge? The answer is very simple if we believe the word of God? Those teachers were fleshly they were not spiritual, and if we believe our bibles the flesh hates the Spirit, it misjudges the Spirit wrong each and every time. Moreover, it wages war with the Spirit it must misjudge, and/or impute evil into the Spirit. Those teachers could not see because the law itself imputed evil to all (sin), it imputed evil declaring all were sinners and thus convicted by the law of evil.

1Tim.1:9 as knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1:10 for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave-traders, for liars, for perjurers, and for any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;
John 8:15 You judge according to the flesh. I judge no one.

Romans 9:8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as a seed.

Romans 8:8 Those who are in the flesh can't please God.

So is the WTS clean? Has God made the WTS clean so our association with the WTS makes us clean by its teachings? In other words, the WTS teaches by contact with it and it teachings the flesh of its members are clean.

Haggai 2:12 'If someone carries holy meat in the fold of his garment, and with his fold touches bread, stew, wine, oil, or any food, will it become holy?'" The priests answered, "No."

Thus, it is the job of the WTS as its members mediator to keep God people clean. But ss that a bible teaching, has God restored a clean people like Israel where they are entrusted with an earthly organization that by association ones are made clean? What are the fruit of the WTS? Are the fruit hidden from any honest hearted person? Has the WTS been made clean, without sin? That is exactly what the bible teaches when one is clean before God Jehovah they are without sin. Sin is the filth of our fallen flesh that our bible teaches cannot be put away by any work of law we can do.

1 John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God doesn't sin, but he who was born of God keeps himself, and the evil one doesn't touch him.

John 1:13 who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

In other words, in Christ one is sinless, but being "in the WTS" does that make one sinless, hence, clean? Since the WTS conception it has had one failed prophecy after another regarding the end of our world, yet, boasting in being God faithful prophet on earth, God's faithful slave that is the fruit the works of its righteousness ( fruit tree) created by its own judgment, and/or will. Thus, we must ask? Are its members willing to uphold unrighteousness while Disfellowshiping others for uncleanness?

Matt.18:23 Therefore the Kingdom of Heaven is like a certain king, who wanted to reconcile accounts with his servants. 18:24 When he had begun to reconcile, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents.{Ten thousand talents represents an extremely large sum of money, equivalent to about 60,000,000 denarii, where one denarius was typical of one day's wages for agricultural labor.} 18:25 But because he couldn't pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, with his wife, his children, and all that he had, and payment to be made. 18:26 The servant therefore fell down and kneeled before him, saying, 'Lord, have patience with me, and I will repay you all!'
18:27 The lord of that servant, being moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt. 18:28 "But that servant went out, and found one of his fellow servants, who owed him one hundred denarii,{100 denarii was about one sixtieth of a talent.} and he grabbed him, and took him by the throat, saying, 'Pay me what you owe!' 18:29 "So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, 'Have patience with me, and I will repay you!' 18:30 He would not, but went and cast him into prison, until he should pay back that which was due. 18:31 So when his fellow servants saw what was done, they were exceedingly sorry, and came and told to their lord all that was done. 18:32 Then his lord called him in, and said to him, 'You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt, because you begged me. 18:33 Shouldn't you also have had mercy on your fellow servant, even as I had mercy on you?' 18:34 His lord was angry, and delivered him to the tormentors, until he should pay all that was due to him. 18:35 So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don't each forgive your brother from your hearts for his misdeeds."

Nothing could be more fleshly, and hypocritical chocking a little servants for lesser sins, precisely what the teachers of Israel did in judging Christ and his disciple as unrepentant sinners. The flesh attacked the truth, Christ, it waged war with all of Christ disciples. Did the disciple or Christ set up a organization that each member of the body of Christ must dedicated themselves into for earthly direction and cleanness? This is the very foundation of the WTS based upon error, and a fleshly judgments of putting together a legal corporation to protect its assets. Those upholding its bylaw do so at the direction of the WTS legal department just as do every legal corporation in the world, but have those laws made them clean, holy without sin?

John 15:3 You are already pruned clean because of the word which I have spoken to you.

Luke 5:12 It happened, while he was in one of the cities, behold, there was a man full of leprosy. When he saw Jesus, he fell on his face, and begged him, saying, "Lord, if you want to, you can make me clean." 5:13 He stretched out his hand, and touched him, saying, "I want to. Be made clean." Immediately the leprosy left him.

Does a corporation have a legal right to put people outside that do not play by the rules. Yes, it does, to keep its rules clean, obeyed, and pure? Yes, they do, and if not, they can be sued for not consistently applying their laws equally too all. Which is called equal protection of the law. But does that make them spiritual clean? Well, the teachers of Israel were considered to be appointed by God, for it was his nation Israel. But it was the actions of each person in Israel that made them clean, not as a group. (Remembering the Law perfected nothing, it did not take sin away from Israel, cleanness by application of the law was impossible.)

Rom.2:5 But according to your hardness and unrepentant heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath, revelation, and of the righteous judgment of God; 2:6 who "will pay back to everyone according to their works:"{Psalm 62:12; Proverbs 24:12}
2:7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory, honor, and incorruptibility, eternal life; 2:8 but to those who are self-seeking, and don't obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, will be wrath and indignation, 2:9 oppression and anguish, on every soul of man who works evil, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
2:10 But glory, honor, and peace go to every man who works good, to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 2:11 For there is no partiality with God.

Hebrews 9:22 According to the law, nearly everything is cleansed with blood, and apart from shedding of blood there is no remission.

It was their faith that made them clean that is why some put faith in Christ making them sinless in putting faith in Christ his blood. No such group cleanness was every taught by Christ or his apostles. Subsequently, the WTS members are worried about the approval of men much more so than God's approval in Christ. Just as was true of earthly Israel and every legal corporation on earth where people seek employment are not made righteous by its rules, and/or sinless.

Romans 4:13 For the promise to Abraham and to his seed that he should be heir of the world wasn't through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 8:10 If Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

Romans 9:31 but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, didn't arrive at the law of righteousness.

Romans 10:3 For being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they didn't subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

The Disfellowshiping recorded for us in God's word was done by God's Spirit where the brother flesh was handed over to Satan. One cannot be working for Satan and hand over the sinful flesh that Satan created in the first place and produce a spiritual person.

Matthew 12:25 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said to them, "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.

Matthew 12:26 If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don't find it doing that which is good.

Romans 6:4 We were buried therefore with him through baptism to death, that just like Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.

God does not deal with our dead flesh, God deals with our spirit, our spirit life, the flesh is dead, a basic teachings of all bibles. Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God a spirit kingdom, flesh cannot produce a spirit person. God the Spirit must create a new spirit person by his Holy Spirit. The flesh is of no value at all in that process which is why those in the flesh cannot please God.

John 6:63 It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.

Romans 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile towards God; for it is not subject to God's law, neither indeed can it be.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.{NU omits "who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit"}

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now I say this, brothers,{The word for "brothers" here and where context allows may also be correctly translated "brothers and sisters" or "siblings."} that flesh and blood can't inherit the Kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

The WTS is focused on the flesh making it look good to other flesh, to boast in the flesh before the eyes of the world as a clean organization. How many were wrong disfellowship for not going along with the WTS false prophecy? Why did Israel become blood guilty before God?

Revelation 17:6 I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered with great amazement.

Revelation 18:24 In her was found the blood of prophets and of saints, and of all who have been slain on the earth."

Hebrews 10:29 How much worse punishment, do you think, will he be judged worthy of, who has trodden under foot the Son of God, and has counted the blood of the covenant with which he was sanctified an unholy thing, and has insulted the Spirit of grace?

Ephesians 6:12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world's rulers of the darkness of this age, and against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places.

When people form into group thinking they are held accountable by the groups actions. We cannot have it both ways, we cannot uphold evil of a group, and then claim innocent through the same group because we didn't personally do it! When we knowingly defend evil actions in the name of God and Christ we are judged by what measure we measure out.

Matt.7:1 "Don't judge, so that you won't be judged.
7:2 For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you. 7:3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye? 7:4 Or how will you tell your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye;' and behold, the beam is in your own eye? 7:5 You hypocrite! First remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.

That is the seriousness of belonging to a bad corrupt tree instead of Christ the good tree with no evil fruit. The subject of Disfellowshiping in the WTS cannot be of any importance for those loving Christ because it has nothing to do with Christ accept to say just as all unrighteousness nations that the group used God word to build Satan empires on earth opposed to God, can lyingly boasting of being God's good tree on earth without evil fruit change the truth of what has been produce by the WTS? It is frankly, a joke such fruit has nothing to do with Christ and God's discipline of his own children entrusted into faithful hands of Christ Jesus.

Matt. 7:15 "Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravening wolves. 7:16 By their fruits you will know them. Do you gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? 7:17 Even so, every good tree produces good fruit; but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit. 7:18 A good tree can't produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit.
7:19 Every tree that doesn't grow good fruit is cut down, and thrown into the fire. 7:20 Therefore, by their fruits you will know them.

The direction of Christ bodies members is under the headship of Christ, no human can remove Christ hand, or foot, or eye without first Christ giving that person direction to do so. Can the WTS say that honestly? No! The WTS is a worldly group that uses God's word to uphold its power structure. Israel teachers misjudged what was clean and unclean why? *For power and control) Because they did not perceive God's great mercy that they themselves were worthy of death by God's law, one would think that in, and of itself would cause them much caution by putting the highest value on spiritual lives of their brothers and sisters knowing that killing someone spiritually for the greater good of the group is a teaching of Satan and not of God!

Matthew 10:29 "Aren't two sparrows sold for an assarion coin{An assarion is a small coin worth one tenth of a drachma or a sixteenth of a denarius. An assarion is approximately the wages of one half hour of agricultural labor.}? Not one of them falls on the ground apart from your Father's will.

Matt.15:2 The Pharisees and the scribes murmured, saying, "This man welcomes sinners, and eats with them." 15:3 He told them this parable. 15:4 "Which of you men, if you had one hundred sheep, and lost one of them, wouldn't leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one that was lost, until he found it? 15:5 When he has found it, he carries it on his shoulders, rejoicing. 15:6 When he comes home, he calls together his friends and his neighbors, saying to them, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!'
15:7 I tell you that even so there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents, than over ninety-nine righteous people who need no repentance.
15:8 Or what woman, if she had ten drachma{A drachma coin was worth about 2 days wages for an agricultural laborer.} coins, if she lost one drachma coin, wouldn't light a lamp, sweep the house, and seek diligently until she found it?
15:9 When she has found it, she calls together her friends and neighbors, saying, 'Rejoice with me, for I have found the drachma which I had lost.'
15:10 Even so, I tell you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner repenting."
15:11 He said, "A certain man had two sons.
15:12 The younger of them said to his father, 'Father, give me my share of your property.' He divided his livelihood between them.
15:13 Not many days after, the younger son gathered all of this together and traveled into a far country. There he wasted his property with riotous living.
15:14 When he had spent all of it, there arose a severe famine in that country, and he began to be in need.
15:15 He went and joined himself to one of the citizens of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed pigs.
15:16 He wanted to fill his belly with the husks that the pigs ate, but no one gave him any.
15:17 But when he came to himself he said, 'How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough to spare, and I'm dying with hunger!
15:18 I will get up and go to my father, and will tell him, "Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight.
15:19 I am no more worthy to be called your son. Make me as one of your hired servants."'
15:20 "He arose, and came to his father. But while he was still far off, his father saw him, and was moved with compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
15:21 The son said to him, 'Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in your sight. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.'
15:22 "But the father said to his servants, 'Bring out the best robe, and put it on him. Put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet.
15:23 Bring the fattened calf, kill it, and let us eat, and celebrate;
15:24 for this, my son, was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found.' They began to celebrate.
15:25 "Now his elder son was in the field. As he came near to the house, he heard music and dancing.
15:26 He called one of the servants to him, and asked what was going on.
15:27 He said to him, 'Your brother has come, and your father has killed the fattened calf, because he has received him back safe and healthy.'
15:28 But he was angry, and would not go in. Therefore his father came out, and begged him.
15:29 But he answered his father, 'Behold, these many years I have served you, and I never disobeyed a commandment of yours, but you never gave me a goat, that I might celebrate with my friends.
15:30 But when this, your son, came, who has devoured your living with prostitutes, you killed the fattened calf for him.'
15:31 "He said to him, 'Son, you are always with me, and all that is mine is yours.
15:32 But it was appropriate to celebrate and be glad, for this, your brother, was dead, and is alive again. He was lost, and is found.'"

Daniel Your Brother in Christ

[quote="okinawa"]Hi all

Thank you, Dan for plainly exposing the WTS as a counterfeit God's organization.

They lord it over others as God.
They condemn guiltless ones by their rules.
They are legalistic.
They expel people who have faith in Christ from their organization.

What they are doing is the same as the Pharisees condemned by Jesus were doing.

They are the people who judge according to the flesh.
They are the people who perform the works to be viewed by men.
They are like whitewashed graves, which outwardly appear beautiful.

Jesus cured a man born blind.

But it was on the Sabbath.

Because of this, legalistic Pharisees condemned Jesus for the violation of the Sabbath law.

Their fleshly view of righteousness made them blind to the good accomplished.

The flesh causes people to think that the righteousness would be achieved by the efforts for observing God's requirements.

Then, it tends to judge people by the works of the law and the sticking to the rules.

The cured man who was born blind expressed faith in Jesus.
But Pharisees didn't accept his testimony.

Rather, they looked down on him.
They said to the man born blind like "You were born totally in sin, and did you dare to teach us?"

Pharisees imagined that they were more righteous, since they knew much about the law and performed more works of the law than the man born blind.

Then they expelled this former blind beggar who expressed his faith in Jesus from their religious and social system.

What they did was not an act of isolation of leaven, but lording it over others due to high-minded of self.

They judged the matter according to the flesh, raising themselves up above the others as the final authority of judgment.

But the fact of the matter was, such a authority was a product of their imagination driven by the flesh, and it let them act arrogantly.

Do you see the similarity between Jewish society and the WTS, and Pharisees and JWs' shepherds.

Both of the systems function on legalism.

Their driving force of operation and judgment is fallen fresh.

All the institutions of Satan's World are the same, built on fresh, so that they are legalistic in every sense, which is no value in God's eyes.

People who love freedom and mercy are unable to stay in such a system.

Many people are suffering for the legalistic treatments they encounter in this Satan's fleshly world.

So the Christ is to come back to remove Satan's system which is the main obstacle of happiness.

Joh 9:1-41
1 Now as he was passing along he saw a man blind from birth. 2 And his disciples asked him: "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, so that he was born blind?" 3 Jesus answered: "Neither this man sinned nor his parents, but [color=#FF0000]it was in order that the works of God might be made manifest in his case[/color]. 4 We must work the works of him that sent me while it is day; the night is coming when no man can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the world's light." 6 After he said these things, he spit on the ground and made a clay with the saliva, and put his clay upon the [man's] eyes 7 and said to him: "Go wash in the pool of Si?lo′am" (which is translated 'Sent forth'). And so he went off and washed, and came back seeing.

8 Therefore the neighbors and those who formerly used to see he was a beggar began to say: "This is the man that used to sit and beg, is it not?" 9 Some would say: "This is he." Others would say: "Not at all, but he is like him." The man would say: "I am [he]." 10 Consequently they began to say to him: "How, then, were your eyes opened?" 11 He answered: "The man called Jesus made a clay and smeared [it] on my eyes and said to me, 'Go to Silo′am and wash.' I therefore went and washed and gained sight." 12 At this they said to him: "Where is that [man]?" He said: "I do not know."

13 They led the once-blind man himself to the Pharisees. 14 Incidentally it was Sabbath on the day that Jesus made the clay and opened his eyes. 15 This time, therefore, the Pharisees also took up asking him how he gained sight. He said to them: "He put a clay upon my eyes, and I washed and have sight." 16 Therefore some of the Pharisees began to say: "[color=#0000FF]This is not a man from God, because he does not observe the Sabbath[/color]." Others began to say: "How can a man that is a sinner perform signs of that sort?" So there was a division among them. 17 Hence they said to the blind man again: "What do you say about him, seeing that he opened your eyes?" The [man] said: "He is a prophet."

18 However, the Jews did not believe concerning him that he had been blind and had gained sight, until they called the parents of the man that gained sight. 19 And they asked them: "Is this YOUR son who YOU say was born blind? How, then, is it he sees at present?" 20 Then in answer his parents said: "We know that this is our son and that he was born blind. 21 But how it is he now sees we do not know, or who opened his eyes we do not know. ASK him. He is of age. He must speak for himself." 22 His parents said these things because they were in fear of the Jews, for the [color=#FF0000]Jews had already come to an agreement that, if anyone confessed him as Christ, he should get expelled from the synagogue[/color]. 23 This is why his parents said: "He is of age. QUESTION him."

24 Therefore a second time they called the man that had been blind and said to him: "[color=#0000FF]Give glory to God; we know that this man is a sinner[/color]." 25 In turn he answered: "Whether he is a sinner I do not know. One thing I do know, that, whereas I was blind, I see at present." 26 Therefore they said to him: "What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?" 27 He answered them: "I told YOU already, and yet YOU did not listen. Why do YOU want to hear it again? YOU do not want to become his disciples also, do YOU?" 28 At this they reviled him and said: "You are a disciple of that [man], but we are disciples of Moses. 29 We know that God has spoken to Moses; but as for this [man], we do not know where he is from." 30 In answer the man said to them: "This certainly is a marvel, that YOU do not know where he is from, and yet he opened my eyes. 31 We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is God-fearing and does his will, he listens to this one. 32 From of old it has never been heard that anyone opened the eyes of one born blind. 33 If this [man] were not from God, he could do nothing at all." 34 In answer they said to him: "[color=#0000FF]You were altogether born in sins, and yet are you teaching us[/color]?" And [color=#FF0000]they threw him out[/color]!

35 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and, on finding him, he said: "Are you putting faith in the Son of man?" 36 The [man] answered: "And who is he, sir, that I may put faith in him?" 37 Jesus said to him: "You have seen him and, besides, he that is speaking with you is that one." 38 Then he said: "I do put faith [in him], Lord." And he did obeisance to him. 39 And Jesus said: "[color=#FF0000]For [this] judgment I came into this world: that those not seeing might see and those seeing might become blind[/color]." 40 Those of the Pharisees who were with him heard these things, and they said to him: "[color=#0000FF]We are not blind also, are we[/color]?" 41 Jesus said to them: "If YOU were blind, YOU would have no sin. [color=#FF0000]But now YOU say, 'We see.' YOUR sin remains[/color]."

Mt 12:1-8
12 At that season Jesus went through the grainfields on the sabbath. His disciples got hungry and started to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 At seeing this the Pharisees said to him: "Look! Your disciples are doing what it is not lawful to do on the sabbath." 3 He said to them: "Have YOU not read what David did when he and the men with him got hungry? 4 How he entered into the house of God and they ate the loaves of presentation, something that it was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those with him, but for the priests only? 5 Or, have YOU not read in the Law that on the sabbaths the priests in the temple treat the sabbath as not sacred and continue guiltless? 6 But I tell YOU that something greater than the temple is here. 7 However, [color=#FF0000]if YOU had understood what this means, 'I want mercy, and not sacrifice,' YOU would not have condemned the guiltless ones[/color]. 8 For Lord of the sabbath is what the Son of man is."

Lu 6:6-11
6 In the course of another sabbath he entered into the synagogue and began teaching. And there was a man present whose right hand was withered. 7 The scribes and the Pharisees were now watching him closely to see whether he would cure on the sabbath, in order to find some way to accuse him. 8 He, however, knew [color=#0000FF]their reasonings[/color], yet he said to the man with the withered hand: "Get up and stand in the center." And he rose and took his stand. 9 Then Jesus said to them: "I ask YOU men, Is it lawful on the sabbath to do good or to do injury, to save or to destroy a soul?" 10 And after looking around at them all, he said to the man: "Stretch out your hand." He did so, and his hand was restored. 11 But [color=#FF0000]they became filled with madness[/color], and they began to talk over with one another what they might do to Jesus.

Mr 3:1-6
1 Once again he entered into a synagogue, and a man was there with a dried-up hand. 2 So they were watching him closely to see whether he would cure the man on the sabbath, in order that they might accuse him. 3 And he said to the man with the withered hand: "Get up [and come] to the center." 4 Next he said to them: "[color=#0000FF]Is it lawful on the sabbath to do a good deed or to do a bad deed, to save or to kill a soul[/color]?" But they kept silent. 5 And after looking around upon them with indignation, being thoroughly grieved at [color=#FF0000]the insensibility of their hearts[/color], he said to the man: "Stretch out your hand." And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored. 6 At that the Pharisees went out and immediately began holding council with the party followers of Herod against him, in order to destroy him.

Mt 23:23-24
23 "Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but [color=#FF0000]YOU have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness[/color]. These things it was binding to do, yet not to disregard the other things. 24 [color=#FF0000]Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the came[/color]l!

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