Jehovah's Witnesses Straight Talk - Forum/Blog

We cannot have it both ways! God casting a person into the fire for not bearing fruit destroying their salvation, while Paul says, that the fire will destroy works of our flesh not of Christ fruits/vine, but the person themselves will be saved.

The problems is taking Christ many words and making them into law, and ignoring the rest of the bible. When a person does such a thing they teach Christ Jesus did not fulfill the law, simply because much or what Christ taught was under the law. Subsequently, with out Paul's words you would not have a complete picture.

How does on destroy the works of God? What is destroy? It would be our works not of God, which soundly defeats all teaching of works by laws, rules, and/or commandments.

1Cor.3:15 If any man's work is burned, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, but as through fire. 3:16 Don't you know that you are a temple of God, and that God's Spirit lives in you?

John 15:5 I am the vine. You are the branches. He who remains in me, and I in him, the same bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.
15:6 If a man doesn't remain in me, he is thrown out as a branch, and is withered; and they gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
15:7 If you remain in me, and my words remain in you, you will ask whatever you desire, and it will be done for you.

A person cannot be born of Adam and not “practice sin”, no more so than a human can stop breathing air. If a person wants to atone from their sins they must go to the altar of God and have atoning blood pour out for their sins, but they still sin!

By obeying a law more from the bible does not mean a person is not a practicer of sin. Hence, this is why John stated; That those in Christ Jesus no longer practice sin even if they still sin. In other words, their sin are forgiven, abolished by the life of Christ. God does not see them as a sinner because he looks at the life that paid the price for our sins and judgment, Christ Jesus.

1 John 3:6 Whoever remains in him doesn't sin. Whoever sins hasn't seen him, neither knows him.

1 John 3:9 Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God.

Even if a person in Christ falls into fleshly thinking, which is sin, they are still not a sinner because God has used the blood of his Son to purchase their lives. You cannot be in Christ and be a practicer of sin. If you fall, you will be disciplined, but not with death in view, but rather life, God will through Christ life bring a person into complete salvation using Christ life imputed us, which gives us the irrevocable gift of life.

Yes, we sin, but nothing in our personal efforts or goodness saves us, we practices sin born from Adam. Accepting Christ, our sins are abolished, hence, our judgment of sin., not that we don't sin, it is our sins are not accounted against us because of what Christ did for us.

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