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The Whole Creation Groans:

Rom.8:22 For we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now. 8:23 Not only so, but ourselves also, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for adoption, the redemption of our body.

How does the creation groan when it seems the whole creation fights to stay in the flesh willing to kill each other and sometimes nations for a few short years on earth? Paul's words in context is dealing with the new creation, created by Spirit, contrasting it with old creation of sin found in all mankind (Without Spirit but instead flesh). This sin than causes all of God's creation of the earth to groan for freedom (of Spirit).

Gen.3:17 To Adam he said, "Because you have listened to your wife's voice, and have eaten of the tree, of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it,' cursed is the ground for your sake. In toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.

The state of creation is captivity, under sin, but how? Here is where discernment comes in, a discernment only God's Spirit gives his children. The key to all the Greeks writings is “Spirit”, a gift given from God's love expressed too us in the person of Christ Jesus (Freedom in Spirit). The pattern, that is, the natural order of fleshly and its thinking cannot set creation free. Although, eternity is created in each person heart, making them seek freedom from oppression, the mind of the flesh cannot set God's creation free from suffer, disease, pain, and death, but it can think of nothing else. Hence, it groans for it as long as it is in its flesh, and dies with it upon its heart. But it does not have the solution and never will!

Ecclesiastes 3:11 He has made everything beautiful in its time. He has also set eternity in their hearts, yet so that man can't find out the work that God has done from the beginning even to the end.

This is the truth, the truth of God's word the bible; Eve thought of greater freedom beyond God's expressed love found in the creation itself which should have testified to God's benevolence, but Eve wanted for more; ending her life in captivity to sin and death (lost of freedom of Spirit). Freedom for creation was created by God (the Spirit), God set the limits of freedom by his love (Spirit law), there can be no greater freedom, but such is a matter for each person faith to find out while in the flesh born into sin upon this earth (captivity).

1 John 4:8 He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.

1 John 4:9 By this God's love was revealed in us, that God has sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.

Paul speaks of the groaning of creation without a self-help solution to fix the problem (All efforts, and/or works being Futility); the solution comes by God's works and not mans (Spirit). The new creation is from God, and created in love, by his Spirit (hands). The captivity is the flesh for God's anointed in this case, hence, the subject of the eight chapter of Romans. The mystery here, is the solution the flesh cannot know? And the answer to the problem is God's new creation not known by this world.

1Cor..2:10 But to us, God revealed them through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. 2:11 For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of the man, which is in him? Even so, no one knows the things of God, except God's Spirit. 2:12 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that were freely given to us by God. 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual things. 2:14 Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 2:15 But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one. 2:16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him?"{Isaiah 40:13} But we have Christ's mind.

The flesh can be a genius for the flesh (works), and create new solution for the world, it can intellectualize every word of the bible, and give a profound explanation, but it cannot know God, as do those created by God as his children the new creation. Thus, the wisdom of the world is foolishness to God, and is subjected to futility of its own mind which cannot fix the problems of the creation in captivity to sin and death. ( Mind of flesh created laws for sin and death which are for unrighteous in flesh under death sin.)

1Cor. 1:21 For seeing that in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom didn't know God, it was God's good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save those who believe. 1:22 For Jews ask for signs, Greeks seek after wisdom, 1:23 but we preach Christ crucified; a stumbling block to Jews, and foolishness to Greeks, 1:24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God.
1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

The war between the flesh and Spirit ends in Christ, if we are truly in Christ which means death to the flesh, it is no more in Christ. The freedom of the Spirit is found in Christ with no fleshly thinking (Spirit). Hence, it is set free from the corruption of sin and death, which is the very thinking that enslaves the creation and causes it to groan within each one of God's anointed. But they are of Spirit so they can know both the flesh and Spirit where the flesh cannot know the things of the Spirit.

John 8:36 If therefore the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.

Romans 5:15 But the free gift isn't like the trespass. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.

Romans 6:22 But now, being made free from sin, and having become servants of God, you have your fruit of sanctification, and the result of eternal life.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 6:4 We were buried therefore with him through baptism to death, that just like Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.

Yes, death and life that works in each child of God, surrounded by their own weakness of the flesh under laws of sin (and power of Christ life working in them), which tent they are still in. This profound predestine pattern is what God uses to set creation free from the corrupt mind of the flesh which cannot know God and enslaves the rest of creation into death by its judgments.

2 Corinthians 1:9 Yes, we ourselves have had the sentence of death within ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God who raises the dead,

2 Corinthians 2:16 to the one a stench from death to death; to the other a sweet aroma from life to life. Who is sufficient for these things?

2 Corinthians 4:10 always carrying in the body the putting to death of the Lord Jesus, that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.

2 Corinthians 4:11 For we who live are always delivered to death for Jesus' sake, that the life also of Jesus may be revealed in our mortal flesh.

The creation will be set free by God's temple, the Christ, and the predestine members God has chosen from the founding of the world to fix the problem by having the Spirit (Freedom, by the law of freedom love,i.e., Spirit), and the mind of Christ. Christ conquered this world for his body members, each member is indwelt with the life of Christ an incorruptible seed that the world can have no hold on by its death thinking. The solution is not geniuses (flesh), but God's power found in each child of God, a power that brings all corruption and its thinking under the power of Christ Kingdom, setting creation free from its self-inflicted wounds of false freedom found in the lust of the flesh. (Which judges Death)

Romans 7:23 but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members.

2 Corinthians 10:5 throwing down imaginations and every high thing that is exalted against the knowledge of God, and bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ;

Each child of God must remember freedom was given them not by their will or works. Subsequently, it not just knowledge the freedom Paul speaks to here. A person can have no education or cannot read and still have the freedom of Christ in them. They will suffer what is common to all mankind (flesh), but with in them is the manifold wisdom of God (Spirit) overcoming this world by the mind of Christ unseen, and unknown by the wisdom of this world. In fact, it looks and sounds foolish to the world. This death in us works life, for the creation, and our groaning of death thinking that kills the Spirit in us where we find truth, of God's great mercy and unmerited kindness will be expressed to the rest of creation, by the new creation proving an everlasting blessing undoing all corruption of death thinking found in the flesh. (judged in the Garden of Eden dead to God's Spirit)

1Cor.1:26 For you see your calling, brothers, that not many are wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, and not many noble; 1:27 but God chose the foolish things of the world that he might put to shame those who are wise. God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put to shame the things that are strong; 1:28 and God chose the lowly things of the world, and the things that are despised, and the things that are not, that he might bring to nothing the things that are: 1:29 that no flesh should boast before God.

1 Corinthians 2:4 My speech and my preaching were not in persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power. 2:5 that your faith wouldn't stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

As the flesh scrambles to solve the many problems of weeds in full bloom after thousand's of years of planting by fleshly solutions. They will do what flesh has always done, create more laws to take away freedom from the human race which is converse thinking, a 180-degrees opposite of what God (The Spirit) has given his new creation. That which is not created by Spirit will come to a fiery end, where if the days are not cuts short no flesh will be saved.

Jeremiah 17:5 Thus says Yahweh: Cursed is the man who trusts in man, and makes flesh his arm, and whose heart departs from Yahweh.

Jeremiah 45:5 Seek you great things for yourself? Don't seek them; for, behold, I will bring evil on all flesh, says Yahweh; but your life will I give to you for a prey in all places where you go.

Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you; and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you a heart of flesh.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, isn't the Father's, but is the world's.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

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