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Rom.9:12 it was said to her, "The elder will serve the younger."{Genesis 25:23} 9:13 Even as it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."{Malachi 1:2-3} 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? May it never be!

God YHWH has created from non-existence life in every detail of life, God created starting the process of all life in heaven and upon earth, but is this why he hated Esau and loved Jacob?

Genesis 7:14 they, and every animal after its kind, all the livestock after their kind, every creeping thing that creeps on the earth after its kind, and every bird after its kind, every bird of every sort.

Well, in honestly in reading the entire book of Roman's, no it not! The book of Roman's is a letter, meaning as one written document. By reading it we will find a theme, which is the Spirit Vs. the Flesh, In other words, the law for the fallen flesh Vs. the law of the Spirit love (life). Many Christian's have this misconception that something good dwells in a person fallen flesh, and God is in love with the fallen flesh governed by the laws opposite of life, in the Spirit.

Psalms 49:7 none of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give God a ransom for him.

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;

Romans 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile towards God; for it is not subject to God's law, neither indeed can it be.

Moreover, if a person is not born again by God's Holy Spirit they cannot separate the flesh from the Spirit simply because the flesh cannot know the things of God's Spirit, his person. The context in Roman are those of the flesh trying to overcome those born of God's Spirit enslaving them again to laws created for the wicked, which are laws governing the works found in the fallen flesh that would include God's righteous laws given fleshly Israel, which condemned the flesh as evil, and not part of God, Spirit, or of his Son Christ Jesus, whom neither whch can sin or be act evil by laws designed for human's born into sin, to convict them of sin.

1 John 3:4 Everyone who sins also commits lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness.

Rom.8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.{NU omits "who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit"} 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.

1 John 3:9 Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God.

John 8:36 If therefore the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed.

In other words, the law was not created for sinless people, it was however, and factually created for sinners. God separates our flesh from our spirit, and then he destroys our flesh, that is, kills it to any further judgment from his laws for sinners, and started judging us by he law of the Spirit. This profound legal act was summed up in one person Christ Jesus by his precious life redeeming us from the curse of the law by killing our flesh and giving us the merit of Christ life, a sinless perfect life so we might share in his life allowing us freedom from God's judgment by the law for sinners.

1 Peter 1:23 having been born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, through the word of God, which lives and remains forever.

1 John 3:9 Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God.

Revelation 12:17 The dragon grew angry with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep God's commandments and hold Jesus' testimony.

Paul then teaches us that it is Christ merit, not our merit, why? Because the choosing of those anointed as God's son's are not by any human goodness or merit, but rather by God's choosing whom will receive the merit of his Son's life. The issue was at Paul's time was Israel God's chosen people and had they by God's law earned enough merit to be God's choosen people, for thte law was good. Thus if one obey it should they not earn enough merit to enter into life? Subsequently, if the law was good than why weren't the newly converted Christian's not using it? Sadly, they were putting humam wisdom above God's own wisdom found in Christ Jesus for us Christ.

Galatians 2:18 For if I build up again those things which I destroyed, I prove myself a law-breaker.

Galatians 2:19 For I, through the law, died to the law, that I might live to God.

Galatians 2:21 I don't make void the grace of God. For if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nothing!"

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us. For it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,"{Deuteronomy 21:23}

But God's choosing is not about the flesh or the laws against the fallen flesh, the flesh does not exist in God's choosing, the flesh is destroyed in Christ as not being redeemable into eternal life. In other words, there is no secret, God by the power of His Holy Spirit is creating, not re-creating from an old personality into a new person according to the image of Christ. The power is by Holy Spirit for God's new creation, it is that power which creates all things new, not by (flesh) and the laws condemning the fallen flesh thinking that would make a person a better flesh on earth. The power flesh has is in procreation where humans are found in sin and death from that sin condemns each of us by God's law as unrighteous, but this has nothing to do with God's recreation in the Spirit. God is creating all things new without sin, or its corrupting influence making us leavened bread; the Christ is the new creation, a new lump not taken from the old!

Revelation 21:5 He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." He said, "Write, for these words of God are faithful and true."

Revelation 2:17 He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the assemblies. To him who overcomes, to him I will give of the hidden manna,{Manna is supernatural food, named after the Hebrew for "What is it?". See Exodus 11:7-9.} and I will give him a white stone, and on the stone a new name written, which no one knows but he who receives it.

Colossians 3:10 and have put on the new man, who is being renewed in knowledge after the image of his Creator.

Christ is a new lump, not the old lump from the sins of this world, Christ is the new Adam, and from him will come all things new, without sin. Subsequently, many Christian's think its about personality God's choosing, but it is not, its about nothing they have practice good or bad. Its about God planting wheat, a seed, from heaven, Christ Jesus, who is incorruptable seed, which God has created into a sinless new lump for us, its not about man goodness at all. God planted according to its kind (Spirit) into us, which is a wheat seed that grows into its kind, and that is – wheat.

Isaiah 60:21 Your people also shall be all righteous; they shall inherit the land forever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

Matthew 15:13 But he answered, "Every plant which my heavenly Father didn't plant will be uprooted.

1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out the old yeast, that you may be a new lump, even as you are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, has been sacrificed in our place.

It not about the power of sin (weeds) found in human being trying to reform themselves through the power of sins laws at all, No! God rejects and kills sin, how? By atoning for it, which kills it, and then redeems/removes our sins by precious life of Christ. God also created our spirit new, Esau old spirit would be controlled by flesh, Jacob would be a person of faith, that is, controlled by Spirit, which Spirit is freedom from the fallen flesh. ( Freedom from God's Judgment by law for the wicked) proving God must save us completely by making us new.

Romans 1:17 For in it is revealed God's righteousness from faith to faith. As it is written, "But the righteous shall live by faith."{Habakkuk 2:4}

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace that was given me, to every man who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think reasonably, as God has apportioned to each person a measure of faith.

1 Corinthians 2:5 that your faith wouldn't stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1 Corinthians 12:9 to another faith, by the same Spirit; and to another gifts of healings, by the same Spirit;

The entire books of the bibles stand on one theme flesh against Spirit, a war, a violent war sometimes. Flesh opposes God's Spirit and cannot be in subjection to it. God hating the sinful flesh does not mean he hates our spirit, but the flesh must die, so God can live in us like he did Adam. God has set in order a new Adam that sets us free from our flesh and its judgments so we can be transformed into a new creation without the laws created for the old creation under sin condemning and punishing what is of no value at all, the fallen flesh that cannot be reformed by God's perfect laws given to Israel, and instead God creating all things new without sin in Christ Jesus our new law!

Jude 1:23 and some save, snatching them out of the fire with fear, hating even the clothing stained by the flesh.

Galatians 6:8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, that you may not do the things that you desire.

Romans 8:8 Those who are in the flesh can't please God.

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.

God knows before our birth his seed, he created it and plants it, his seed is Spirit, God does not love sin, or the production of sin found in the lust of our fallen flesh. The mystery for all fallen flesh is faith ( which is not the posession of all mankind faith/Spirit), but instead what is comnon to all flesh is laws of the flesh, and the judgments coming from the heart of our sinful flesh taht all mankind is born into; that God is good and perfect and what he plants will have certain success despite all things in this world and its fears through fleshly judgments.

Psalms 1:3 He will be like a tree planted by the streams of water, that brings forth its fruit in its season, whose leaf also does not wither. Whatever he does shall prosper.

Ezekiel 36:36 Then the nations that are left around you shall know that I, Yahweh, have built the ruined places, and planted that which was desolate: I, Yahweh, have spoken it, and I will do it.

Isa.40:22 It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them out like a tent to dwell in; 40:23 who brings princes to nothing; who makes the judges of the earth like meaningless. 40:24 They are planted scarcely. They are sown scarcely. Their stock has scarcely taken root in the ground. He merely blows on them, and they wither, and the whirlwind takes them away as stubble. 40:25 "To whom then will you liken me? Who is my equal?" says the Holy One. 40:26 Lift up your eyes on high, and see who has created these, who brings out their army by number. He calls them all by name. by the greatness of his might, and because he is strong in power, Not one is lacking. 40:27 Why do you say, Jacob, and speak, Israel, "My way is hidden from Yahweh, and the justice due me is disregarded by my God?" 40:28 Haven't you known? Haven't you heard? The everlasting God, Yahweh, The Creator of the ends of the earth, doesn't faint. He isn't weary. His understanding is unsearchable. 40:29 He gives power to the weak. He increases the strength of him who has no might. 40:30 Even the youths faint and get weary, and the young men utterly fall; 40:31 But those who wait for Yahweh will renew their strength. They will mount up with wings like eagles. They will run, and not be weary. They will walk, and not faint.

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