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The Law Fruit of Death

.****Rom.7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were through the law, worked in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

The question, what fruit are picked off the law? The next question is, what fruit are picked off Christ? Did the law have sinful passions? Does Christ resurrected into incorruptibility have sinful passion? Now the reality sinks in, law has no emotions, or lust, so who's fruit are death? Christ has no flesh, that is, sins, so who's fruits of death are we talking about?

Romans 7:12 Therefore the law indeed is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good.

James1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God," for God can't be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one. 1:14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. 1:15 Then the lust, when it has conceived, bears sin; and the sin, when it is full grown, brings forth death.

It is us who bring forth fruit of death, or fruit of life, but how? Why the law? Mankind was brought into a court room with a prosecuting attorney by God giving the law to his people Israel. Law must be satisfied, the justice of the law must be upheld or it is rebellion against the Government's Sovereignty. God formed a people by his righteous law into a mighty nation, the law is righteous, but the people were not, why? It is because sinner are not righteous; righteous means having no sin, which is God's legal standard of righteousness, but not mankind's.

Romans 3:19 Now we know that whatever things the law says, it speaks to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be closed, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God.

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;

For sinner to be righteous God must act, he must pay for our sins, atoning for them, or his righteous standard prosecuted us by his law convicting us as a law breakers the sentence for sin is death. Israel experience God's love (Mercy by atonement), but also his severity by the law wrath without atonment. (some sins could not be atone for under the law)

Romans 2:13 For it isn't the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be justified

Romans 3:10 As it is written, "There is no one righteous; no, not one.

Colossians 2:23 Which things indeed appear like wisdom in self-imposed worship, and humility, and severity to the body; but aren't of any value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Deuteronomy 30:15 Behold, I have set before you this day life and good, and death and evil;

Levitius 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood; and I have given it to you on the altar to make atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that makes atonement by reason of the life.

The problem existed for Israel that the law could not give them life, it could only bring forth fruit of death. The law written on stone could not bring forth what was needed a life giving spirit. Israel like so many today have made the law an idol! They've worshiped the power of the condemnation of the law as a god. Israel to this day lives in a state of death by the laws condemnation of sin bring forth the fruit of death. The fruit picked from the law which judge mankind a sinner (in death) proving they needed mercy by blood atonment a gift of God's great mercy.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good to come, not the very image of the things, can never with the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect those who draw near.

Hebrews 9:22 According to the law, nearly everything is cleansed with blood, and apart from shedding of blood there is no remission.

Hebrews 7:16 who has been made, not after the law of a fleshly commandment, but after the power of an endless life:

Something that should be self-evident by the fact all are dying on earth from sin. The wages sin pays started in the Garden of Eden, with Adam and Eves sinning against God's righteous standard losing their own righteousness by sin (losing the life of the Spirit its power over and controling their lives). The law only personified sin in us, proving we need God's mercy which is given freely by gift of atonement. Atonement was painful for the victim who had not sinned. In Israel case it was an animal not created by God to keep his righteous law, thus, if there is no law one cannot break it, making the victim innocent of sin, the animal not created to be under laws of sin.

Romans 4:15 For the law works wrath, for where there is no law, neither is there disobedience.

Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were through the law, worked in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

However, there was not eternal life in the animal so it could not redeem mankind, giving them the power of its life working in them sanctifying them once of all time from sin eternally. Subsequently, this was the purpose of the law preparing the nation of Israel for God's savior through the greater Moses by the pass-over lamb of God having the eternal life of God in him.

John 6:63 It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.

John 1:29 The next day, he saw Jesus coming to him, and said, "Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Acts 8:32 Now the passage of the Scripture which he was reading was this, "He was led as a sheep to the slaughter. As a lamb before his shearer is silent, so he doesn't open his mouth.

1 Peter 1:19 but with precious blood, as of a faultless and pure lamb, the blood of Christ;

Revelation 5:12 saying with a loud voice, "Worthy is the Lamb who has been killed to receive the power, wealth, wisdom, strength, honor, glory, and blessing!"

Christ Jesus had the power of eternal life indwelling him, his Father YHWH life when he came to earth. Christ was righteous, he had not sinned, meaning his life was endless, like Adam's should have been. When Christ was sacrificed for Israel and they put faith in his resurrection into his sinless blood God's wrath of the law was removed off them by atoning for their sins – given them by God's unmerited kindness allowing them to be indwelt with the life of Christ sanctifying them not as a nation but individually in true righteousness, by Christ powerful living life. The fruit for eternal life and immortality was found in Christ our life; fruit of life like the Father's. Christ is life, which is our life, he cannot bring forth the fruit of death. Let us define death here with specificity? We are talking about sin, bring forth the fruit of sin - death. Christ cannot sin he is incorruptible state, meaning he can never sin, thus, his fruit is life.

Colossians 3:4 When Christ, our life, is revealed, then you will also be revealed with him in glory.

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me. That life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.

2 Timothy 1:10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the Good News.

2 Peter 1:3 seeing that his divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and virtue;

Those inheriting the Kingdom of Christ do so by the power of his living life working in them. They alone have the fruit of Christ life working in them, he is their vine, and he produces fruit of life by the power of his life working in his vine. The law vine had no life in it, but gave a temporary atonement without the power of life working in its members (Israel). It power was death, death worked in us by the law, it could not perfect us into life, which takes the power of Christ life, that is, his Kingdom, the power behind his Kingdom, the Spirit.

Luke 13:7 He said to the vine dresser, 'Behold, these three years I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree, and found none. Cut it down. Why does it waste the soil?'

John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the farmer.

John 15:4 Remain in me, and I in you. As the branch can't bear fruit by itself, unless it remains in the vine, so neither can you, unless you remain in me.

John 15:5 I am the vine. You are the branches. He who remains in me, and I in him, the same bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.

1Cor. 1:30 But of him, you are in Christ Jesus, who was made to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption:

Those weak in conscience, still weak under the fleshly mind, that is, the judgments of the fleshly mind by the law, wanted physical sight, the fearful power of the law brought upon the body members of Christ. This is why Paul was so passionate about freeing us from the law power so we would not be enslaved to death once again, dying twice as it were.

Jude 1:12 These are hidden rocky reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you, shepherds who without fear feed themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn leaves without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

John 8:15 You judge according to the flesh. I judge no one.

1 Corinthians 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you, or by man's judgment. Yes, I don't judge my own self.

Rom.8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.{NU omits "who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit"} 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.

The power of Christ body members is from the Spirit, and not the law! It is the law of the Spirit that brings us into life, not the law of flesh, which is judgments by the law of the sinful flesh. Our blessings (fruit of the Spirit) come from God (Spirit) when he freed us from our deserved judgments by his law. He freed us, completely by killing the law, how? By accounting us dead, paying the price for our sins, in Christ life (dead in the flesh). We now stand as spirit person before God with no flesh being accounted against us in the sins of the flesh (death, no law, no sin). This is why we must walk by faith, a gift of God's Spirit so we may commune with Spirit, and truth (life as Adam had before sinning). The power of all flesh has been stripped by Christ from us. That would include all authority of flesh on earth under darkness of wicked spirit forces. We are not battling flesh and blood, we are spirit person battling wicked spirit force.

Ephesians 2:2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the children of disobedience;

Ephesians 3:16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, that you may be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man;

Ephesians 3:20 Now to him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us.

Eph.2:13 You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 2:14 wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us; and he has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross; 2:15 having stripped the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in eating, or in drinking, or with respect to a feast day or a new moon or a Sabbath day, 2:17 which are a shadow of the things to come; but the body is Christ's.

Christ conquered Satan world (death) and his power by his life. When the body of Christ goes back under the power of the flesh, and it's laws condemning and judging them as sinners they lose the power of Christ indestructible life in them. False religion the great mystery has conquered this world by the power of the flesh, by its instituting laws of the flesh upon its members. This seemingly cleanness has deceived many honest hearted people into enslavement of death's laws. The power of the law in disciplining and changing lives on earth is powerful and works for a better more righteous people, but its not God's righteousness found only in Christ.

1 Corinthians 6:16 Or don't you know that he who is joined to a prostitute is one body? For, "The two," says he, "will become one flesh."{Genesis 2:24}

Romans 13:14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, for its lusts.

Romans 8:8 Those who are in the flesh can't please God.

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.

Romans 8:12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

Romans 6:4 We were buried therefore with him through baptism to death, that just like Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:9 knowing that Christ, being raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no more has dominion over him!

Romans 6:11 Thus consider yourselves also to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The flesh cannot be made righteous, it is the spirit God deals with, the flesh has to be put to death, not made righteous as false religion practices. No human being can put away the filth of their flesh, and certainly not by laws punishing the flesh. (they must be made new in Christ life) This deception is the great mystery that has enslaved the whole world. Babylon the Great cannot bring forth fruits of life, without flesh, that is, putting it to death by laws of the flesh created for the wicked, and not the righteous. Laws do not put the flesh to death they only jail the works of the flesh, laws enforced can takes away the outward of appearances of unrighteousness, but they do not kill the flesh! Only Christ can do that and make us new, into a new creation.

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

1 Timothy 1:9 as knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

Titus 3:9 but shun foolish questionings, genealogies, strife, and disputes about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

Romans 9:31 but Israel, following after a law of righteousness, didn't arrive at the law of righteousness.

Romans 8:3 For what the law couldn't do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh;

1 Corinthians 6:11 Such were some of you, but you were washed. But you were sanctified. But you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and in the Spirit of our God.

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