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Did Good Become Death to me?

****Rom.7:12 Therefore the law indeed is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good. 7:13 Did then that which is good become death to me? May it never be! But sin, that it might be shown to be sin, by working death to me through that which is good; that through the commandment sin might become exceeding sinful.

The fundamental truth, the touch stone of our faith is found in Roman's Chapter Seven of our bibles understanding the truth of Roman's Seven and laying it as a template upon all other writings of the apostles unlocks them putting them into harmony with the Spirit. Let us note the fleshly mind acts as legalist in isolating words, clauses, verses and builds a case. Sometimes a fearful case of judgment by works of law, by some rule, or some law that itself can't keep fully, but instead applies to its neighbor.

Luke 5:12 It happened, while he was in one of the cities, behold, there was a man full of leprosy. When he saw Jesus, he fell on his face, and begged him, saying, "Lord, if you want to, you can make me clean." 5:13 He stretched out his hand, and touched him, saying, "I want to. Be made clean." Immediately the leprosy left him.

Paul here speaks plain truth about the commandments, and the law, but he unlike so many Christian's today do not separate the law from sin, the law cannot be sin it was created by a sinless God YHWH. The fleshly mind can't separate the two, it thinks: “if the law is good and I keep it I am good!” In other words, the fleshly mind consumes God's words thinking its a god, but it is a thief, it takes, defends like a dog from fear of losing what its possesses. It cannot know God, the flesh is oppose to God, and cannot be in subjection to the Spirit, hence, God, or his law and commandants its impossible!

Matt.7:6 "Don't give that which is holy to the dogs, neither throw your pearls before the pigs, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Romans 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile towards God; for it is not subject to God's law, neither indeed can it be.

Romans 8:8 Those who are in the flesh can't please God.

These brothers have forgotten God is love, love does not posses what is not rightfully its own, love does not live in fear of losing, love gives freely without evil motive. Love (God) blesses others with good, not evil, so is the law, and commandments good God gave Israel? So was the law a blessing, or a curse? Is God now evil instead of good? Here is where we must separate our flesh (sin) from God's Spirit if we don't we will head down a long road of false religion (works of law). Christ did not call himself good, or himself God, neither should we.

Hebrews 6:18 that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have a strong encouragement, who have fled for refuge to take hold of the hope set before us.

James 3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, don't boast and don't lie against the truth.

1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and don't tell the truth.

Philip.2:1 If there is therefore any exhortation in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassion, 2:2 make my joy full, by being like-minded, having the same love, being of one accord, of one mind; 2:3 doing nothing through rivalry or through conceit, but in humility, each counting others better than himself; 2:4 each of you not just looking to his own things, but each of you also to the things of others. 2:5 Have this in your mind, which was also in Christ Jesus,
2:6 who, existing in the form of God, didn't consider equality with God a thing to be grasped, 2:7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men. 2:8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross. 2:9 Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name;

We did not create the law, its not ours because we obey some of it. In fact, we can't even judge it correctly as sinners, what we do know about the law and the commandments they are good, because it comes from a good God, but sin is the problem in us! Once again can we separate the flesh from the Spirit understanding we live in a condition of sin from our fallen flesh that we cannot get out of by obeying commandments, can we be that honest?

Romans 10:3 For being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they didn't subject themselves to the righteousness of God. 10:4 For Christ is the fulfillment{or, completion, or end} of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

1 Corinthians 1:30 But of him, you are in Christ Jesus, who was made to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption:

2 Corinthians 5:21 For him who knew no sin he made to be sin on our behalf; so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Galatians 2:21 I don't make void the grace of God. For if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nothing!"

We must have the mind of Christ to separated our flesh legally as God does to save us; there is no logic for the fleshly mind regarding this matter, because remember the fleshly mind under sin is a merit based, works of law – creature. However, with the mind of Christ we can separate the truth from flesh and its desires to prove itself righteous. Can we as a judge, a doctor remove our feelings and look at the patient, not the evil we all do in our hearts. The patient wants to be healthy, or they don't, they have friends and family they want to please or not? They have good and evil in them as we all do, but that is not the point? The point is why the law, and is the law good, not us? Can it heal the patient?

Hebrews 7:19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Philippians 3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own, that which is of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us. For it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree,"{Deuteronomy 21:23}

Yes, the law causes wrath in us towards God (inciting our flesh which cannot be in subjection to God by pointing out our sins), and it is a curse for sinners, not a blessing, but does that mean God is the same a curse for us? Has God now become evil handing us a serpent instead of a fish? If we were without sin, that would mean being righteous, without sin, like Christ, would the law and commandments be a curse to us or a blessing as it was to Christ? Yes it would have bless us with eternal life, like it did Christ! Let us separate the truth from our feelings of guilt and disappointments into God's unmerited kindness so we my see God as our Father, a loving Father of Spirit.

1 Timothy 1:9 as knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers.

Matt.7:7 "Ask, and it will be given you. Seek, and you will find. Knock, and it will be opened for you. 7:8 For everyone who asks receives. He who seeks finds. To him who knocks it will be opened. 7:9 Or who is there among you, who, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? 7:10 Or if he asks for a fish, who will give him a serpent? 7:11 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

James1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God," for God can't be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one. 1:14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. 1:15 Then the lust, when it has conceived, bears sin; and the sin, when it is full grown, brings forth death. 1:16 Don't be deceived, my beloved brothers. 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow.

God is the law giver, he is the judge, he knows beyond doubt we cannot be saved by his righteous law, and commandments. He does not ridicule us, he does not mock us, or look down on us because we cannot keep his laws perfectly, he is love, what does love do my friend? It owes no one a single thing but love! God is not asking for payment by our works, he is not holding our debt, he is not good and evil. He blesses us with good, even those treating him evil.

God remove our curse sin by giving us a new life without sin, a righteous life, Christ Jesus. The problems is, do we want to live in Christ righteousness as a free gift of God's love, or our owning, earning merit to pay off the debt of sin against God's good, righteous, holy law, and commandments? Well, we can't, and if we say we can keep the law and its commandments we lie, and Christ died in vain! So we have a choice do we stop the lies of our flesh and except with humility the life of Christ? Christ, not us, completed God's law and its commandments for us, the only way we stay in righteousness is our staying in Christ rejecting our flesh as it is corruption; against the truth of God, and opposed to the Spirit.

Romans 8:8 Those who are in the flesh can't please God.

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.

Romans 8:12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

We deal with our flesh as a dead man talking and walking, by rejecting its pleading we are evil, or we are good deserving, what comes from its mouth is a spirit of corruption leading to our deception.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don't find it doing that which is good.

That is the reason we walk in faith because the entire logic and fiber of the fleshly mind rejects that God has stop judging us by the law and its commandments, it is impossible for the flesh to believe undeserved kindness. We are in Christ righteous that is what keeps us in obedience to the law of Spirit, love. The commandments can't make us obedient to God's love, they can only prove we are sinner needing God's mercy. If we cannot separated the patient by our love for life from laws and commandments we kill the patient. If love cannot see good in the patient and hope all things and believe all things we lose the patient, us, and them!

Rom.13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 13:9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet,"{TR adds "You shall not give false testimony,"}{Exodus 20:13-15,17; Deuteronomy 5:17-19,21} and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."{Leviticus 19:18}
13:10 Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.

Rom.13:4 Love is patient and is kind; love doesn't envy. Love doesn't brag, is not proud, 13:5 doesn't behave itself inappropriately, doesn't seek its own way, is not provoked, takes no account of evil;
13:6 doesn't rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
13:8 Love never fails.

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