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Paul! The Hated Apostle

Rom.11:13 For I speak to you who are Gentiles. Since then as I am an apostle to Gentiles, I glorify my ministry; 11:14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh, and may save some of them. 11:15 For if the rejection of them is the reconciling of the world, what would their acceptance be, but life from the dead?

Many today voice publicly their destine for the apostle Paul, and his writings. They refused to acknowledge Paul as an apostle of Christ openly rejecting his writings. The question is why does the apostle Paul causes such hate in those claiming to be Christian's?

The hate for Paul is a condemnation an antiphysis of being a Christian's in the first place, is it not?

Titus.3:1 Remind them to be in subjection to rulers and to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,
3:2 to speak evil of no one, not to be contentious, to be gentle, showing all humility toward all men. 3:3 For we were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

Personality Vs. Truth

Those putting personality over truth hate the apostle Paul. Paul like Christ did not flatters our personality. He uncovered the hearts of self-righteous, making strong statements about our unrighteous nature, which causes us discomfort in our flesh. On the other hand, Paul above most of the apostles of Christ also spoke of love, undeserved kindness. However, many will hypocritically uses those words of Paul's to defend their position as Christian, while at the same time slandering Paul for saying: “all men are liars!”

1Cor.13:4 Love is patient and is kind; love doesn't envy. Love doesn't brag, is not proud, 13:5 doesn't behave itself inappropriately, doesn't seek its own way, is not provoked, takes no account of evil;
13:6 doesn't rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 13:8 Love never fails

Philippians 2:1 If there is therefore any exhortation in Christ, if any consolation of love, if any fellowship of the Spirit, if any tender mercies and compassion.

In fact, without the apostles Paul writings we could never understand how God's law worked, what unmerited kindness actually is; how we have been freed from sin. Moreover, how our personal relationship with each other and our Father YHWH is by Holy Spirit, and not flesh or its connections. Paul speaks of our endearing relationship with our heavenly Father in saying Abba Father! The list is endless of truth's that were reveled through the beloved apostle Paul.

2 Peter 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of private interpretation.

Many think they can pick and choose what Paul said, while at the same time defending other parts of the bible as infallible truths, which they boast that not one word can be compromised. In others words, they deny the very tenants of Christianity by being partial in judging the apostle Paul, while at the same time using his words to defend themselves as a Christian! This showing of partiality is a shocking acknowledgment of being a fleshly minded person.

1Cor.3:1 Brothers, I couldn't speak to you as to spiritual, but as to fleshly, as to babies in Christ. 3:2 I fed you with milk, not with meat; for you weren't yet ready. Indeed, not even now are you ready, 3:3 for you are still fleshly. For insofar as there is jealousy, strife, and factions among you, aren't you fleshly, and don't you walk in the ways of men? 3:4 For when one says, "I follow Paul," and another, "I follow Apollos," aren't you fleshly? 3:5 Who then is Apollos, and who is Paul, but servants through whom you believed; and each as the Lord gave to him?

Private Interpretation

Did the apostle Paul speak from himself, that is, from his own private interpretation, rather than being bored along by Holy Spirit as all the others writers of the bible were? Furthermore, should we piece meals Paul's writings into what we like and what we dislike, is this not adding and taking away from God's word the bible in doing so essentially doing the very thing some accuse Paul of doing?

Rev.22:19 If anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, may God take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book.
22:20 He who testifies these things says, "Yes, I come quickly." Amen! Yes, come, Lord Jesus.

Not one of the apostles of Christ - those whom personally walked with Christ every hinted that Paul was not apostle, or that what he wrote wasn't direct from God through Christ, not one, lets us say that again not one! Were the apostles of Christ not inspired of God? Did they promote error, and allow Paul's so called hate speech to go unchecked? What did they know that so many Christian's today who hate Paul's writing do not?

2 Peter 3:15 Regard the patience of our Lord as salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given to him, wrote to you.

What they knew is Paul's writing were inspired of God, hard to understand times, but nonetheless they did not file false accusation against Paul, or call him foolish, or a hateful old man, no! They honored, and respected Paul and his writing as coming from God a message too them. Factually, if a person can be honest, Paul said the same thing the rest of the apostles whom wrote the Greek scriptures, but in different ways, only a dishonest prejudice person would deny this if they read all the scriptures. None of the apostles of Christ flatter, or idolized anyone personality, but the Christ, and many said things that were harder than Paul's words.

Acts 15:2 Therefore when Paul and Barnabas had no small discord and discussion with them, they appointed Paul and Barnabas, and some others of them, to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and elders about this question.

Acts 15:4 When they had come to Jerusalem, they were received by the assembly and the apostles and the elders, and they reported all things that God had done with them.

Acts 15:6 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to see about this matter.

Acts 15:22 Then it seemed good to the apostles and the elders, with the whole assembly, to choose men out of their company, and send them to Antioch with Paul and Barnabas: Judas called Barsabbas, and Silas, chief men among the brothers.{The word for "brothers" here and where the context allows may also be correctly translated "brothers and sisters" or "siblings."}

Rom. 8:33 Who could bring a charge against God's chosen ones? It is God who justifies. 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, yes rather, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

Flesh Attacks the Spirit

Paul was chosen of God through Christ Jesus his conversion is like no other recorded in the bible for good reason? Paul incited jealousy and anger in God's people more than the rest of the apostles for this reasons Christ chose and use the apostle Paul more than the rest of his apostles.

2 Peter 2:10 but chiefly those who walk after the flesh in the lust of defilement, and despise authority. Daring, self-willed, they are not afraid to speak evil of dignitaries.

Hebrews 12:9 Furthermore, we had the fathers of our flesh to chasten us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits, and live?

Galatians 6:12 As many as desire to look good in the flesh, they compel you to be circumcised; only that they may not be persecuted for the cross of Christ.

Galatians 4:29 But as then, he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.

John 6:63 It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.

John 8:15 You judge according to the flesh. I judge no one.

Why did Christ want to incite hate and jealousy in God's people, particular the Jews? It is because those coming to Christ have to see their true heart condition, not what they would like to believe about themselves or others. Moreover, those with religious training born into a religion whom are formed by religious teaching are the most offend over Paul's words, why? Because they have lived a lie, hiding the condition of their heart to others for years or their whole life, and Paul's words cuts to the core of the human condition, exposing inward lies hid by personalities.

Rom.10:18 But I say, didn't they hear? Yes, most certainly, "Their sound went out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."{Psalm 19:4} 10:19 But I ask, didn't Israel know? First Moses says, "I will provoke you to jealousy with that which is no nation, with a nation void of understanding I will make you angry."{Deuteronomy 32:31}

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, neither is that circumcision which is outward in the flesh;

Romans 3:20 Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight. For through the law comes the knowledge of sin.

Romans 6:19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh, for as you presented your members as servants to uncleanness and to wickedness upon wickedness, even so now present your members as servants to righteousness for sanctification.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don't find it doing that which is good.

Those coming to Christ for the first time, who are cut to the heart and repented, they love Paul's words. They find great truth and comfort in Paul assessment of sin in human. They understand they had no way out of their condition without God's undeserved kindness and help through Holy Spirit in Christ. They came to the light, they are not living a lie, but are cut to the core and know Paul's words are true because of their life of sin. They deeply appreciate Paul's words so much giving them hope as sinful humans. Many have been put down by religious people by their self-righteous statements which they blame Paul's for! However, Paul's actually does just the opposite his words lets them know none are better, all fall short of God's glory even those born into religion or at the tops of religion. This frees them from judgment by humans whom treats them as not worthy of God's love. Those whom have been abused by religious people, the apostle Paul evens the score, setting the record straight by truth. He allows no personality worship, he tells the same truth as Christ did in his flesh upon earth, which was, none are good, but one!

Luke 18:19 Jesus asked him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good, except one--God.

Romans 2:13 For it isn't the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be justified

Romans 3:10 As it is written, "There is no one righteous; no, not one.

Those whom believed they have earned a standing with God by their own personality thinking they have reformed themselves into greater righteous than other their mouths are shut! And there are those whom idolize the good personality in their religion, who also attack Paul, which only proves they are fleshly not having God's Spirit, and Christ personality. This than offends their good evaluation of themselves in their personal goodness when thinking they are above others sinners making them of greater importance of higher status by self-goodness, i.e., a refined personalities. The apostle Paul incites them too jealousy and anger because he seemingly shows a lack of respect for their self-deserved earned worth by self-goodness as a Christian's. This is precisely why Christ picked the apostle Paul, To incite our evil lust we all have, which we hid through our actions justifying them through false religion to look good to others, and ourselves, to humble us so we might be saved in our spirit. We need not think more or ourselves than is necessary to think. Such is God's discipline of all whom want to look good in their flesh thinking they are righteous without Christ Jesus sacrifice.

Galatians 3:11 Now that no man is justified by the law before God is evident, for, "The righteous will live by faith."{Habakkuk 2:4}

1 Peter 3:18 Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

1 Peter 4:18 "If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will happen to the ungodly and the sinner?"{Proverbs 11:31}

Colossians 2:18 Let no one rob you of your prize by a voluntary humility and worshipping of the angels, dwelling in the things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,

Colossians 3:2 Set your mind on the things that are above, not on the things that are on the earth.

Yes, God slaps those loving their flesh over the Christ, He sober them up, so they may be saved. How does insulting the flesh save the spirit in a person? Simply put, the bible to the flesh is a law book, it is a book of commands which condemns others. Hence, because its a law book and not a person, that is, Christ Jesus indwelling us we can hid adultery in our hearts, we can hid envy for others in our hearts, and most other sins. The same law book can be used to excuses us by the great harlot Babylon the Great cunning false religious justifications. But we cannot hid our hate for other very long it will exposes us in our words and actions to the point of killing our enemy by slander, making false accusation against them and particularly those lead by Holy Spirit. We can deny our hate, but we cannot hid it from others, we can lie, using God's word the bible to justify our so called righteous hate for brother including Paul, or face it head on like we demand others to do when we uses the same law book. The truth we must face is; such hateful conduct is not of God or Christ it is from the devil. So how has someone with such a great personality come to have the spirit of devil in them, if they are so righteous?

Those whom really are God's children will be shocked at their own conduct, they will realize they are a judgmental person, and not only judgmental, but they have judges so many other Christian's for the same conduct. They may not have given it much thought because they been able to point a fingers at someone else weakness to justify their own. Now faced with truth of an outburst of rage from a slanderous heart in condemning of one of Christ. the apostles Paul, they received their own discipline from the fruitage they have planted which cannot lie, they cannot hid it to anyone any longer. Similarly was killing of Christ which brought many honest hearted person to God. The hating of Paul has done the same, but are we willing to suffer like Paul did for truth? Are we willingly to be lied about, and made to look foolish for the Good News of Christ to bring others to a point of repentance?

***1Cor.1:11 For it has been reported to me concerning you, my brothers, by those who are from Chloe's household, that there are contentions among you. 1:12 Now I mean this, that each one of you says, "I follow Paul," "I follow Apollos," "I follow Cephas," and, "I follow Christ." 1:13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized into the name of Paul?
1:14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, except Crispus and Gaius, 1:15 so that no one should say that I had baptized you into my own name. 1:16 (I also baptized the household of Stephanas; besides them, I don't know whether I baptized any other.)
1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the Good News--not in wisdom of words, so that the cross of Christ wouldn't be made void. 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are dying, but to us who are saved it is the power of God.
1:19 For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, I will bring the discernment of the discerning to nothing."{Isaiah 29:14}
1:20 Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the lawyer of this world? Hasn't God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
1:21 For seeing that in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom didn't know God, it was God's good pleasure through the foolishness of the preaching to save those who believe.
1:22 For Jews ask for signs, Greeks seek after wisdom,
1:23 but we preach Christ crucified; a stumbling block to Jews, and foolishness to Greeks, 1:24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God.
1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 1:26 For you see your calling, brothers, that not many are wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, and not many noble; 1:27 but God chose the foolish things of the world that he might put to shame those who are wise. God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put to shame the things that are strong; 1:28 and God chose the lowly things of the world, and the things that are despised, and the things that are not, that he might bring to nothing the things that are:
1:29 that no flesh should boast before God. 1:30 But of him, you are in Christ Jesus, who was made to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption: 1:31 that, according as it is written, "He who boasts, let him boast in the Lord."{Jeremiah 9:24}

Seating Oneself Above The Covenant of God

Impartiality is a word Christian's throw around when judged by someone they don't like. But Paul understood above all of the apostles by his legal training and his own forgiveness the whole scioe of God's impartiality. He understood no person on earth is above God's law. He understood that even the highest position or person, as well as the least of mankind are treated the same by the law of God, and how was that? As a sinner, as unrighteous, as falling short of God's glory. However, most of the Jews, thought differently of themselves by their practicing of the law, they felt they were justified by God's law? This can be true of any Christian's today! Paul flatly called such teaching and thinking a lie, and for those teaching self-goodness were deceived by their own mouths! The law justify no man, but Christ Jesus because he was perfect without sin. This was the starting point and the finishing point at death for all humans without God help in justifying them by Christ paying the price for their sinful life they would die in their sins. This offended the Jews, they hated Paul as evil for making such claims, he to them was a wicked negative man, they felt the same for Paul as they did for Christ, and his teaching of their sinful condition.

John 3:19 This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil.

Luke 6:45 The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings out that which is good, and the evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings out that which is evil, for out of the abundance of the heart, his mouth speaks.

Matt.15:7 You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying,
15:8 'These people draw near to me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 15:9 And in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrine rules made by men.'"{Isaiah 29:13} 15:10 He summoned the multitude, and said to them, "Hear, and understand. 15:11 That which enters into the mouth doesn't defile the man; but that which proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man." 15:12 Then the disciples came, and said to him, "Do you know that the Pharisees were offended, when they heard this saying?"

Matt.15:17 Don't you understand that whatever goes into the mouth passes into the belly, and then out of the body?
15:18 But the things which proceed out of the mouth come out of the heart, and they defile the man. 15:19 For out of the heart come forth evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, sexual sins, thefts, false testimony, and blasphemies. 15:20 These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands doesn't defile the man."

Those Jew felt above the law, above the covenant of God, they were practicing the laws of God, which they felt justified them. They thought themselves as impartial judges of God's law, but they were not they were partial by favoring their own righteous, within their own group, their own religion overs others. So Paul legally broke their backs by stating no one could keep the law, that is was not made for righteous person, but for the evil persons, which are all sinner, and they were lying about keeping it, which made them untrustworthy as a teacher from God. Yes, Paul said no one is righteous by God's law, but Christ Jesus. Moreover, anyone saying otherwise were liars, and self-righteous teaching against the law of God, and of Christ.

Rom.3:4 May it never be! Yes, let God be found true, but every man a liar. As it is written, "That you might be justified in your words, and might prevail when you come into judgment."{Psalm 51:4}
3:5 But if our unrighteousness commends the righteousness of God, what will we say? Is God unrighteous who inflicts wrath? I speak like men do. 3:6 May it never be! For then how will God judge the world?

Rom.3:9 What then? Are we better than they? No, in no way. For we previously warned both Jews and Greeks, that they are all under sin.
3:10 As it is written, "There is no one righteous; no, not one.
3:11 There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks after God. 3:12 They have all turned aside. They have together become unprofitable. There is no one who does good, no, not, so much as one."{Psalms 14:1-3; 53:1-3; Ecclesiastes 7:20} 3:13 "Their throat is an open tomb. With their tongues they have used deceit."{Psalm 5:9} "The poison of vipers is under their lips;"{Psalm 140:3} 3:14 "Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness."{Psalm 10:7} 3:15 "Their feet are swift to shed blood. 3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways. 3:17 The way of peace, they haven't known."{Isaiah 59:7-8} 3:18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes."{Psalm 36:1}
3:19 Now we know that whatever things the law says, it speaks to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be closed, and all the world may be brought under the judgment of God.
3:20 Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight. For through the law comes the knowledge of sin.

This incited hate for Paul, he had made them look foolish, and weak in their position, but the truth could not be refuted, so how did they handle the truth? They lying justified their murderous hate calling it God's righteousness, they commanded and discredited Paul, and stone him. They proved themselves just like all sinner do by their fleshly minded when confronted with the truth the flesh lust against the Spirit of God with hate attacking the messenger by character assignation of the person in filing accusation against them; twisting the scriptures, imputing their own evil practiced found in their own hearts upon the person so they can legally justify their unrighteous hate. Subsequently, they have been judged in that which they have condemned another for just as Christ warned us would happen in those judging their brother.

Romans 2:16 in the day when God will judge the secrets of men, according to my Good News, by Jesus Christ.

Romans 14:4 Who are you who judge another's servant? To his own lord he stands or falls. Yes, he will be made to stand, for God has power to make him stand.

1 Corinthians 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you, or by man's judgment. Yes, I don't judge my own self.

1 Corinthians 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each man will get his praise from God.

Matt.7:1 "Don't judge, so that you won't be judged.
7:2 For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you. 7:3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye?
7:4 Or how will you tell your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye;' and behold, the beam is in your own eye?
7:5 You hypocrite! First remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.

Such is the test that will befall us when using God's word to make other evil to justify our own evil hearts. God is a God of justice, he does not lie about the real condition of human hearts, he forgives us and gives us a gift of his kindness in the blood of Christ removing our sins. He pays the price for us, he does not justify our sins because we have a good personality or we have done something special in our self-efforts for him and others. There can be no greater evil when a brother or sister will kill someone of the same family to make themselves look better in their flesh, as the Jews did whom hated Paul.

Hebrews 11:4 By faith, Abel offered to God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, through which he had testimony given to him that he was righteous, God testifying with respect to his gifts; and through it he, being dead, still speaks.

1 John 3:12 unlike Cain, who was of the evil one, and killed his brother. Why did he kill him? Because his works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

Jude 1:11 Woe to them! For they went in the way of Cain, and ran riotously in the error of Balaam for hire, and perished in Korah's rebellion.

The Jews felt themselves better, but once their hate and unrighteousness was exposed in their hearts for the Gentile's Christian, everyone loving the truth could plainly see they were not concerned at all about truth, but instead in serving themselves, and protecting their teachings, and position, by slandering Paul.

2 Corinthians 12:20 For I am afraid that by any means, when I come, I might find you not the way I want to, and that I might be found by you as you don't desire; that by any means there would be strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, factions, slander, whisperings, proud thoughts, riots;

Colossians 3:8 but now you also put them all away: anger, wrath, malice, slander, and shameful speaking out of your mouth.

1 Corinthians 11:19 For there also must be factions among you, that those who are approved may be revealed among you.

1 Thessalonians 2:4 But even as we have been approved by God to be entrusted with the Good News, so we speak; not as pleasing men, but God, who tests our hearts.

It is foolish to accept Christ and think we can make statements of whom we are and not be brought into the light and exposed as speaking a lie, and lying to ourselves, and others. God will not condone our lies, He is truth, and the truth exposes all lies. Those whom are self-righteous will not admit to themselves or others they cannot keep God's commandments, they will not admit they cannot put away the filth of their flesh, so they justify the evil in their hearts with Christian's words, they pick, and chose from the bible words that flatters them, but at the same time speaking very harsh and unloving words in criticizing others.

2 Timothy 2:15 Give diligence to present yourself approved by God, a workman who doesn't need to be ashamed, properly handling the Word of Truth.

James 1:12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation, for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to those who love him.

2Tim.3:1 But know this, that in the last days, grievous times will come. 3:2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3:3 without natural affection, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, 3:4 traitors, headstrong, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God;
3:5 holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power thereof. Turn away from these, also. 3:6 For of these are those who creep into houses, and take captive gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 3:7 always learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 3:8 Even as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so do these also oppose the truth; men corrupted in mind, reprobate concerning the faith.

Those whom God loves he exposes so they can see the lies in them, so we are faced daily with the most important truth, which is, we all fall short of God's glory, we cannot boast in our flesh, and we are not deserving of the gift of undeserved kindness. For those loving God this truth makes them very happy in God's own goodness. Causing us to put faith in God's love and not ourselves or another human to save ourselves. Now knowing the truth we know nothing in us can save us, or any other human being for that matter. Moreover, if we don't like this simple message neither will we like the apostle Paul!

James 1:21 Therefore, putting away all filthiness and overflowing of wickedness, receive with humility the implanted word, which is able to save your souls{or, preserve your life.}. 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not only hearers, deluding your own selves. 1:23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man looking at his natural face in a mirror;
1:24 for he sees himself, and goes away, and immediately forgets what kind of man he was. 1:25 But he who looks into the perfect law of freedom, and continues, not being a hearer who forgets, but a doer of the work, this man will be blessed in what he does. 1:26 If anyone among you thinks himself to be religious while he doesn't bridle his tongue, but deceives his heart, this man's religion is worthless.

That which Christ spoke in the gospels proved one thing! Which is, are we going to lie to ourselves, and others about our real condition as a sinner, or beg for forgiveness in not being able to live up to God's righteous standard? Are we a person whom buries the truth when confronted with it, do we like child hid it from our parents thinking God is the same as a human? When Christ tells us we cannot have hate in our heart for a brother, do we like an attorney dig through every word and letter within the bible to justify our hate? When Christ tells us it is a grave sin to lust in our heart for the opposite sex. or do we humbly say:

“Lord forgive me, I fall short of your glory I am a sinner in this manner and cannot deliver myself from the sins of my fallen flesh!”

Rather do we make up some story like our not acting upon the lust of flesh is not a sin, its OK as long as we don't physically have sex. Do we lying boast we have taken strong measure with ourselves and plucked out an eye, or cut of hand symbolic? No!, and no! Let us stop lying to ourselves so we can be self-righteous, we have not stop sinning by your own good efforts or feelings, we have been roundly exposed by truth (Christ) as sinning in our hearts daily, so let us stop lying to ourselves, and speak truth with his neighbor, let not justify our sins by self-works. Our mouth has been shut just like all sinner, we are in the same boat, we are not the exceptional, we all need the law of love applied too us impartially as a sinner striping us of judging others for the splinter in their eye. Grow up, evaluate the truth stop boasting and humble yourself under the mighty hand of God who gives us justification in Christ because he is good!

Rom.8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.{NU omits "who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit"} 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death. 8:3 For what the law couldn't do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh; 8:4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Do we think we can fool God like a man, what are we seeking the truth or something to make ourselves look better? If we love truth then we trust God that he already knows our real condition, and he has given us away out, away to escape the corruption of this world by Christ blood; in purchasing us out of our sins. Hence, our judgment, freeing us from condemnation deserved. Can we be this honest, or do we hate Paul because he stated none of us can redeem ourselves, none of us tells the truth about our real condition, and yet God loves us, and will help us out of this body under going the death from its corrupted thinking.

Rom.7:19 For the good which I desire, I don't do; but the evil which I don't desire, that I practice. 7:20 But if what I don't desire, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwells in me. 7:21 I find then the law, that, to me, while I desire to do good, evil is present. 7:22 For I delight in God's law after the inward man, 7:23 but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members. 7:24 What a wretched man I am! Who will deliver me out of the body of this death? 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ, our Lord! So then with the mind, I myself serve God's law, but with the flesh, the sin's law.

For us to fight over doctrine so we do not have to come to the truth of this simple profound foundational truth, which is, we are sinners, is another self-deception which allows us to be self-righteous condemning others so we do not have to face our real condition the spirit in us which envies and defiles all things good, of God. For those whom are offended at this statements who fleshly mind runs to extremes of unrighteous judgments, we are not saying bible truths and its foundation doctrine are not important. What we are saying is, if you are obsessed with self-righteousness thinking one can be righteous by doctrine than your living a lie, your blinded to the truth, for even the demons believe and they shutter because they know the true condition of their evil hearts. Don't hid behind doctrine mask so you can practice judging others, stand in the complete light and stop judging and compare your works against Christ works. Then and only then will a person gain a sound mind filled with truth, love, peace; flooding your hearts and mind with the Spirit of God's. This is God's comfort for sinners needing his help and encouragement it is only in this truth we will see clearly how to help your brother instead of always judging him as evil, the evil found in our own eye and heart!

James 3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, don't boast and don't lie against the truth. 3:15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, sensual, and demonic. 3:16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition are, there is confusion and every evil deed. 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceful, gentle, reasonable, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 3:18 Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.

Blind guides see only the evil in others, not themselves, they are proud so proud they will without fear judge and evil in someone else and condone their own evil by God's word the bible. Paul striped every authority as Christ did by leveling the playing field in removing any person self-righteousness, allowing all to be equal in God's love, stripping those whom earned a position believing themselves superior in any manner, education, wealth, position, or power, all stand before the impartial throne of God under his unmerited kindness provided they are kind to others, provided they not boast in serving by self-worth, provided they not set themselves up as worthy, account others worthless so they can feel superior in measuring themselves by themselves instead of accepting the free gift of God's love, in Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 3:21 Therefore let no one boast in men. For all things are yours,

1 Corinthians 4:7 For who makes you different? And what do you have that you didn't receive? But if you did receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?

This is the truth, and the real reason why ones hate Paul and his writings because of fear, the fear of giving up this life in reputation, in wisdom to look good in their flesh. They want to make a name of importance in this life, but Paul takes such foolishness away, he states the truth of Christ, he stand at all cost for the Christ, found in the new heavens and earth. He makes no human justification for his weakness, because he does not stand in his own righteousness, but the Christ righteousness like all lovers of truth. He accepts salvation will not, and cannot come, through human efforts and teaching. Truth and Spirit only comes too us by Christ worth, this is his message in every thought and word spoken by God's Holy Spirit to us his children upon earth. Paul is a true brother in Christ a faithful and wise servant whom put himself last on list as slave for the rest of his brothers.

Those imputing evil to Paul are speaking from their own evil hearts, they reflect like mirrors their own self-righteousness thinking they have a legal right to remove sins from Paul's eye, but they are judging themselves, why? Because no one can removes sin, let alone a person judgment, by their likes or dislike in their teachings. Only one can remove sin from a person eye, it is Christ whom died for our unrighteous sins. So judging Paul, put us into a self-judgment because we are the same equal in standing before God, we either accept the blood of Christ humbling ourselves as needing the same help as all sinners need, or exult ourselves, and judge our brothers, one is a greater sin, do you know which one is?

James 4:12 Only one is the lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge another?

James 4:11 Don't speak against one another, brothers. He who speaks against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge.

Romans 14:22 Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who doesn't judge himself in that which he approves.

Romans 14:10 But you, why do you judge your brother? Or you again, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

1Cor.4:1 So let a man think of us as Christ's servants, and stewards of God's mysteries. 4:2 Here, moreover, it is required of stewards, that they be found faithful. 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you, or by man's judgment. Yes, I don't judge my own self. 4:4 For I know nothing against myself. Yet I am not justified by this, but he who judges me is the Lord.
4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each man will get his praise from God.

Completed on: 10-16-2014

by: Daniel a Slave of Christ Jesus

Hi Dan,

It is really refreshing to read Bible based reasoning.
Thank you.

The sinners' worthlessness and God's undeserved kindness for sinners are like two sides of the same coin.

God's love for sinners born in worthlessness all the more makes our God great and appealing.

But strange enough, this understanding won't go along with John and others out there.
They view the matter differently. That's fine with me. They don't like my view.

John wrote about you as follows, but I'm wondering if you have done really what he said.

"Because I was frustrated by by Brother Daniel's inability to see in a mature way the true meaning of what Paul was trying to say metaphorically, I stepped on his toes. So he responded by shooting arrows at my explanations and say they were personal attacks upon his character, which they were not. I said the things I said to try to correct him to have a more mature, and balanced viewpoint of humanity, and himself too. He repeatedly said I was acting, 'fleshly minded', and was very caustic in his remarks, taking a last parting shot at my motives when he last posted; which was totally uncalled for I felt, so I erased that too. That post was completely wrong, undignified, and ugly, which did not do anything but smeared venom onto this site, and accused me of malice, and hatred, which I resent. I meant nothing of the sort."

I took a look at your final topic to see if it is really so.
But all your posts in the topic were struck out.

Let me know if you did it by yourself, or John did.

I want to know the fact, just for my cautiousness.

Thank you for your time and attention.

Dear Brother.

I am so glad to hear from you thanks for the information. I never removed any post, of mine and certain not someone else's.

I left the site for this very reason knowing John's hate for me, but moreover that he would not stop this subject tell he gets everyone to go along with his reasoning. I have appreciated your stand for truth, and your using the scriptures for support.

I do however, feel bad for not being there to support you.

Daniel

Hi Dan,

Thanks for the reply.

Do you still have what you wrote there?
If so, let me restore what John deleted for others judge the matter for themselves.

Thank you for your time and attention on this.
And if possible let me know your e-mail address.

Have a good day, brother.

Luke 19:29 It happened, when he drew near to Bethsphage{TR, NU read "Bethpage" instead of "Bethsphage"} and Bethany, at the mountain that is called Olivet, he sent two of his disciples, 19:30 saying, "Go your way into the village on the other side, in which, as you enter, you will find a colt tied, whereon no man ever yet sat. Untie it, and bring it. 19:31 If anyone asks you, 'Why are you untying it?' say to him: 'The Lord needs it.'" 19:32 Those who were sent went away, and found things just as he had told them. 19:33 As they were untying the colt, its owners said to them, "Why are you untying the colt?" 19:34 They said, "The Lord needs it."

Men speak many words, men live in fear of not explaining themselves enough, not planning ahead. Men worry about what if I don't do this or that, but Christ had perfect faith. So many Christian's think they are powerful in word and deed accounting themselves as really important every time they do something they blow their own horn, becoming offend when not given credit for something they said or wrote. They live in fear of not enough recognition, not enough respect and honor from others, but Christ had faith!

Habakkuk 2:4 Behold, his soul is puffed up. It is not upright in him, but the righteous will live by his faith.

Mark 11:22 Jesus answered them, "Have faith in God.

This is the lot of most Christian's not realizing they are in a field of weeds with fleshly thoughts that are contrary to everything Christ did in faith, this is the education they have not realizing it is a mixture of religion and the world, you cannot even separated the two, yeast cannot be taken out of flour, now can it? But Christ had faith without yeast, without being double minded, he was the living truth, walking perfectly in Spirit and truth, are we?

Luke 17:5 The apostles said to the Lord, "Increase our faith."

When Christ spoke he spoke truth, he need not fear, nor doubt, making excuses allowing wiggle room just in case God did not back up his words, now did he? Can we say the same about our words, do we boldly proclaim others wicked because they didn't follow our example? Do you follow Christ example in faith looking above, can you command that something happen without doubt, and it happens? What is your evaluation of self, is it an evaluation compared to whom? A man in your religion, some man that once wrote a great book, or a movie star? Whom do you compare yourselves against, do you measure yourself against the Christ, do you look up instead of down on a brother or sister, where is your standard of judgment when compared to Christ?

Romans 12:3 For I say, through the grace that was given me, to every man who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think reasonably, as God has apportioned to each person a measure of faith.

2 Corinthians 10:12 For we are not bold to number or compare ourselves with some of those who commend themselves. But they themselves, measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves with themselves, are without understanding.

This was the constant standard each person whom walked with Christ daily on earth was faced with, they simply knew how far they fell short of the glory of God. They knew they did not have enough self-worth to command the sea to quiet, and it obey, or have Peter walk on water. Two thousand's years later we have leaders proud bold weed Christian's judging others thinking they are the commander and chief not realizing they don't even stand when compared to Christ.

John 1:25 They asked him, "Why then do you baptize, if you are not the Christ, nor Elijah, nor the prophet?" 1:26 John answered them, "I baptize in water, but among you stands one whom you don't know. 1:27 He is the one who comes after me, who is preferred before me, whose sandal strap I'm not worthy to loosen."

John 13:5 Then he poured water into the basin, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel that was wrapped around him. 13:6 Then he came to Simon Peter. He said to him, "Lord, do you wash my feet?" 13:7 Jesus answered him, "You don't know what I am doing now, but you will understand later." 13:8 Peter said to him, "You will never wash my feet!" Jesus answered him, "If I don't wash you, you have no part with me." 13:9 Simon Peter said to him, "Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head!" 13:10 Jesus said to him, "Someone who has bathed only needs to have his feet washed, but is completely clean. You are clean, but not all of you." 13:11 For he knew him who would betray him, therefore he said, "You are not all clean." 13:12 So when he had washed their feet, put his outer garment back on, and sat down again, he said to them, "Do you know what I have done to you? 13:13 You call me, 'Teacher' and 'Lord.' You say so correctly, for so I am. 13:14 If I then, the Lord and the Teacher, have washed your feet, you also ought to wash one another's feet. 13:15 For I have given you an example, that you also should do as I have done to you. 13:16 Most certainly I tell you, a servant is not greater than his lord, neither one who is sent greater than he who sent him. 13:17 If you know these things, blessed are you if you do them.

Luke 17:5 The apostles said to the Lord, "Increase our faith." 17:6 The Lord said, "If you had faith like a grain of mustard seed, you would tell this sycamore tree, 'Be uprooted, and be planted in the sea,' and it would obey you. 17:7 But who is there among you, having a servant plowing or keeping sheep, that will say, when he comes in from the field, 'Come immediately and sit down at the table,' 17:8 and will not rather tell him, 'Prepare my supper, clothe yourself properly, and serve me, while I eat and drink. Afterward you shall eat and drink'? 17:9 Does he thank that servant because he did the things that were commanded? I think not. 17:10 Even so you also, when you have done all the things that are commanded you, say, 'We are unworthy servants. We have done our duty.'"