Jehovah's Witnesses Straight Talk - Forum/Blog

***Rom.8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.

Here Paul states something that fundamentally defies all human logic and wisdom, which is? How can laws that prevent people from sinning be called laws of sin, and death? Moreover, why would the apostle Paul under the power of Holy Spirit say we need to be freed from God's law that was good and righteous?

1 Corinthians 1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are dying, but to us who are saved it is the power of God.

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

This point, powerful as it is, still defies Christian's thinking into our own day. Many have attempted in every way possible, to the manipulation of scriptures, in getting around this point that Christ freed his body members from laws of sin, how can that be? It just can't be! Without encouraging sin, and the practice of sin by those looking for fun without restriction enforced by some authority.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in clay vessels, that the exceeding greatness of the power may be of God, and not from ourselves.

That authority for some two thousand's years has been the bible itself used by religion, government and even commerce in punishing wickedness in others by the power of the laws, and commandments of God written in God's word the bible.

1 Timothy 1:7 desiring to be teachers of the law, though they understand neither what they say, nor about what they strongly affirm.

1 Timothy 1:9 as knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

But God YHWH, Christ, and the apostle Paul did not think those loving God needed to be under sins judgment by laws convicting them of wickedness. God unlike human living in their flesh, and protecting their lives on earth, thought beyond the death found in our flesh, into life of Holy Spirit where no evil exist by sinful thought or actions.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God," for God can't be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one. 1:14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. 1:15 Then the lust, when it has conceived, bears sin; and the sin, when it is full grown, brings forth death. 1:16 Don't be deceived, my beloved brothers. 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow. 1:18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.

God is life, he is not death, or death found in sin, He is the God of the living. Mankind is dead too God because of sin they are born into. They cannot stop practicing sin by laws created to give power to sin. In other words, not removing sin but exposing it as death.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good to come, not the very image of the things, can never with the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect those who draw near.

Hebrews 7:19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

God is bring mankind into life, into association with Himself. If man can associate with God, the Spirit of God can teach them the ways of life. The ways of life are found in the God of love. Thus, commons sense should conclude God is teaching his children love. Is God teaching them sin? Is he teaching them wickedness? Is he teaching them judgment of evil by laws of sin? Is God creating a religion of lawyers set up for judgment of others in their flesh?

John 8:15 You judge according to the flesh. I judge no one.

Matthew 7:1 "Don't judge, so that you won't be judged. 7:2 For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you.

Luke 12:58 For when you are going with your adversary before the magistrate, try diligently on the way to be released from him, lest perhaps he drag you to the judge, and the judge deliver you to the officer, and the officer throw you into prison.

Does judgment of sin bring life, or death to those convicted of breaking God's laws? Now here is the problem for most Christian's at Paul's time and our own times, which is? If mankind cannot come out of death, that is sin, than judging sin in others, brings with it nothing higher than death! Yes, Sin laws do punish sin, and do good in this life keeping order and peace among those walking in their flesh, but does those laws of sin bring a person into life where on can have no sis? Can a person know God having sin? Granted religion teaches it does, but the bible directly and emphatically contradicts such teachings.

1 John 3:6 Whoever remains in him doesn't sin. Whoever sins hasn't seen him, neither knows him.

Romans 2:1 Therefore you are without excuse, O man, whoever you are who judge. For in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself. For you who judge practice the same things.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 3:4 Everyone who sins also commits lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness.

God is not redeeming our flesh born into sin, did you know that? Honestly? God is not reforming our flesh into a better flesh without sin by laws convicting it of sin! God is instead killing our flesh so it pays the price for sin, death. He is killing it judgment by laws for the wicked, so he can deal with us in perfecting our spirit by faith, in his love. If one is dead in their flesh what is left for them as a Christian's, nothing? Are we the most pitiful people on earth having no hope, suffering in Christ for no reason but to die? No! What we have is our spirit that God is not judging, because its has no flesh where sin dwells, in our flesh. What law does spirit person have, does the spirit have laws for the sinful flesh, sins laws?

John 6:63 It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.

Romans 3:20 Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight. For through the law comes the knowledge of sin.

Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were through the law, worked in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

Romans 8:6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace;

Romans 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile towards God; for it is not subject to God's law, neither indeed can it be.

No! They don't, they have laws of the spirit, do you as a Christian's know what the law of Spirit are? Well, such is basic teaching found in all bibles, it is the fruit of Holy Spirit having “no law”, that is, laws of the flesh against Holy Spirit fruit!

Gal.5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,{or, faithfulness} 5:23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 5:24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.

Christ died in his flesh, he was raised in spirit, he no longer is perfecting his faith by testing of his flesh upon earth. The law of Christ is the law of Spirit. Now if a Christian's is dead in their flesh by being baptized into Christ, where are his sins? They are dead in the flesh, no longer judged by laws of the flesh, they are freed from such judgment of sins laws, and are living in life without judgment of their spirit declared righteous because they are part of the spirit of Christ which is perfect and righteous.

Romans 6:7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.

Romans 6:9 knowing that Christ, being raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no more has dominion over him!

Romans 6:4 We were buried therefore with him through baptism to death, that just like Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:11 Thus consider yourselves also to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Judging what is dead, and has been judge dead already by God's laws for sin, created for the wicked is not life, it cannot be, nor does it perfect the flesh into not being a sinner, no! God righteousness in Christ Jesus is life, not the righteousness of laws for sin! God judges the same each and every time without partiality. The judgment of the flesh under sin is death, not life, not reformation of the flesh, or is the flesh perfected by God's laws, but instead condemned into death. Sin is corruption, God is not reforming corruption, but mankind thinks he can. However, God says once its corrupted into sin and death it must die! Letting the spirit live in peace free of judgments

1 Peter 3:18 Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;

James 3:11 Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water? 3:12 Can a fig tree, my brothers, yield olives, or a vine figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh water. 3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you?

1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out the old yeast, that you may be a new lump, even as you are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, has been sacrificed in our place.

God is a creator of life, not death, he recreates as person into a new life without, sin. He does not recreate a person into yet more corruption and sin! Now if we are a Christian's we sin, in our flesh that means we cannot stop sinning, thus, we have no hope unless our judgment of our flesh is undeservedly removed by God kindness.

How does he removed our sin, if we are a sinner in our flesh? He removes the thing causing us sin, by killing our flesh from his judgment so he separates the flesh from our spirit and perfects us in spirit by his love. Is there power in God love for those wanting the things of this world the flesh offer to everyone? No!, No!, and No! The power of God working in us through Christ strips the flesh of all its power by killing it and its laws over us!

Col.2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 2:13 You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 2:14 wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us; and he has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross; 2:15 having stripped the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in eating, or in drinking, or with respect to a feast day or a new moon or a Sabbath day,

It leaves us vulnerable to attacks from the flesh, which uses laws for sin. This was the problem Paul was dealing with. The Spirit setting these brothers and sisters free left them with no hope towards life in this world, and they wanted some of both, in power, in fame, in wealth, in glory from other humans that had prestige in the world. A Christian's freed of sin by the death of their flesh could not walk in laws of sin any longer; that not longer worked for them unless they trampled upon the blood of Christ!

2 Peter 2:22 But it has happened to them according to the true proverb, "The dog turns to his own vomit again,"{Proverbs 26:11} and "the sow that has washed to wallowing in the mire."

1 Corinthians 4:13 Being defamed, we entreat. We are made as the filth of the world, the dirt wiped off by all, even until now.

1 John 4:5 They are of the world. Therefore they speak of the world, and the world hears them.

1 John 3:13 Don't be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you.

But how does one build a religion without laws for the flesh bring order and fear to those not following them, yes! You heard is right how does one get a following without punishing the flesh with righteous laws of God? What would make a person submit to religious authority without teh help of laws causing fear of judgment?

John 7:13 Yet no one spoke openly of him for fear of the Jews.

Romans 8:15 For you didn't receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption, by whom we cry, "Abba{Abba is an Aramaic word for father or daddy, often used affectionately and respectfully in prayer to our Father in heaven.}! Father!"

1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment. He who fears is not made perfect in love.

These brothers and sisters were stripped of such power leaving them to trust in God's love, and hoping God was working in them so they would do all things freely, not by compulsion by fear of judgment of their flesh, freely from love, but was that enough? Apparently not! The entire congregation of God at Paul's time freed of sin, put under the new covenant of love was corrupted into sin and its judgment creating a kingdom or yeast and false teaching reaching two thousand's years into our own times.

Matthew 13:33 He spoke another parable to them. "The Kingdom of Heaven is like yeast, which a woman took, and hid in three measures{literally, three sata. 3 sata is about 39 litres or a bit more than a bushel} of meal, until it was all leavened."

Rev.17:1 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and spoke with me, saying, "Come here. I will show you the judgment of the great prostitute who sits on many waters,
17:2 with whom the kings of the earth committed sexual immorality, and those who dwell in the earth were made drunken with the wine of her sexual immorality."
17:3 He carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness. I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet-colored animal, full of blasphemous names, having seven heads and ten horns.
17:4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of the sexual immorality of the earth. 17:5 And on her forehead a name was written, "MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF THE PROSTITUTES AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." 17:6 I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. When I saw her, I wondered with great amazement.

***Rom.8:3 For what the law couldn't do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh; 8:4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

What was it that the law couldn't do? Moreover, why was the law weak through the flesh? Furthermore does it matter to us in understanding and serving Christ?

James 4:11 Don't speak against one another, brothers. He who speaks against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge.

Was the law weak? No! The law was not weak, it was righteous, good, and spiritual, in fact, it was perfect for what it was created to do, and what was that? It was created by God, the perfect God of justice to condemn, convicted, and punishes sinners. It was created truthfully for the wicked, and evil acts by people violating God's righteous laws. It is just that simple! But that's not what Paul spoke of here, as being weak; so what was weak? The flesh! Not the law from a perfect God, but the flesh sold into, lets read this slowly again “sold into sin” and death that is what was weak, flesh!

Romans 2:13 For it isn't the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law will be justified

Romans 3:10 As it is written, "There is no one righteous; no, not one.

The law had a reward if a person could keep it without sin, and what was that reward? Eternal life, why? Because the law did not judge a sinless person did you know that? It could not, because it was created for what purposes, sinners, and not the righteous without sin. This truth offends many Christian's living in their flesh under sin, and in judgment of their flesh by its mind; they simple can't comprehend in this state of sinlessness, the truth of God's words, Paul speaks too here in Christ.

1Tim.1:9 as knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1:10 for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave-traders, for liars, for perjurers, and for any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;

The adoption of being a son of God does not put a person into a religion, or a organization, nor into ones own life. It puts a person into Christ life, as a body member. Those in Christ are not the mind of his body, which they are a member therein sharing his sinless life - for the bodies purposes. Once adopted by God into Christ they have the mind of Christ, not the mind of their flesh making them double minded. Moreover, they are no longer under the judgment of sinful flesh, and/or the judgments of the fleshly mind, those workings are dead to God and must be too them. These works from death of the fleshly mind are dead works!

Heb. 6:1 Therefore leaving the doctrine of the first principles of Christ, let us press on to perfection--not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, of faith toward God,
6:2 of the teaching of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 6:3 This will we do, if God permits.

This weakness of continually living in the flesh dead in Christ and doing its works, which works means judging the flesh already dead in Christ is pointless! It produces nothing for them spiritually, for life in Christ, that is, with Christ in heaven. Christ mind produces spiritual works without sin; his works are God's works which never perish. These works come from the mind of Christ, they are the building blocks sustaining spiritual life, the life freely given to God's anointed. The fleshly mind cannot give a person the bread of life that all of God's anointed must feed on and live by, they must live by every word coming from God's mouth! This where life is found; words found in Christ Jesus coming from his mouth for those in his house under the mind and spiritual voice from his headship alone.

Rom.7:4 Therefore, my brothers, you also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you would be joined to another, to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit to God. 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were through the law, worked in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

Rom.7:8 But sin, finding occasion through the commandment, produced in me all kinds of coveting. For apart from the law, sin is dead.

Life comes to God's anointed because Christ has done away with flesh being judged by God's law that could not perfect the flesh because of its inherent weakness of sin. In other words, If Christian's cannot understand this truth, they are not born of Holy Spirit, they may think they are by scriptural knowledge, but they are not freed in Christ life by Holy Spirit; freed from sins judgment by the very fact they continue in death judgments, in a constant state of judging flesh by God's righteous laws. Which actions is proof they are not in Christ, and are alienated from God by their flesh. This statements is shocking to the fleshly mind person, why?

Ephesians 4:18 being darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God, because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardening of their hearts;

Galatians 5:4 You are alienated from Christ, you who desire to be justified by the law. You have fallen away from grace.

Because truth is revealed by Holy Spirit, and taught by Holy Spirit in God's children. However, those of the fleshly mind think their judgments by a spiritual law given by God is from Christ mind coming from his body members and not their own fleshly mind. Which is flesh dead works and thinking is filthy before God because it cannot be put away by works of law. Furthermore, which filth cannot be put away by judgments by God's perfect laws in judging others. No! It cannot be done, why? Because the law was not created for the righteous (Christ), but the unrighteous(sinful humans from Adam). It cannot rewards a sinful person by its judgments it can only kill them to life with God, proving they have not received the reward of the law because they are a convicted sinner by perfection the law!

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Hebrews 7:19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good to come, not the very image of the things, can never with the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect those who draw near.

Many Christian's cannot get beyond this point, and here is why? If you are a sinner there nothing on earth or in the bible that can make you a person without sin. There is no good work you can do, to remove the sin you have been born into. One must die in their sins and be recreated into a sinless body, having a sinless mind, without the unrighteous judgments of the flesh that are for the wicked bring works of death. What mind do Christian's have? The old one created in sin, or a new one given them from God in being recreated into Christ body having a new mind without sin?

Matt.7:16 By their fruits you will know them. Do you gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? 7:17 Even so, every good tree produces good fruit; but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit.

James 3:10 Out of the same mouth comes forth blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. 3:11 Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water? 3:12 Can a fig tree, my brothers, yield olives, or a vine figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh water. 3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by his good conduct that his deeds are done in gentleness of wisdom. 3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, don't boast and don't lie against the truth.

This is Paul's point, many Christian's think because works of laws person (fleshly), they can make themselves righteous by judging their flesh, and/or that of others; think such actions puts them into the mind of Christ, but this is a lie! They are deceived not by the righteousness of God's law (perfect and not weak), but instead by their own righteousness (weak by sinful flesh), believing they can be righteous by doing works of law, in trying to keep what imperfect flesh cannot keep (perfection of law), makes them righteous, this is a grand and paramount lie! Thus, they fall into into a pattern of self-deception by of their emotions (fleshly), believing their love for God's righteous laws, and their zeal in upholding God's laws accounts them righteous, and in Christ, this is a profound lie of the fleshly mind tricked us by God's righteous law (perfect); thinking it can remove sin by keeping it, making them a non-sinner by works of law.

Luke 18:10 "Two men went up into the temple to pray; one was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector. 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this: 'God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector. 18:12 I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.' 18:13 But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn't even lift up his eyes to heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!' 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

Birth is not based upon works, good, or bad, it is a process we have no control over. So one cannot boast in putting themselves into Christ by some zeal for God and his righteousness. The new birth coming from God into Christ as a new creation comes from God's purposes that we as human are not entitled to, or judge, by the fleshly mind (weak) which is dead towards God's, and his children.

Rom.8:28 We know that all things work together for good for those who love God, to those who are called according to his purpose. 8:29 For whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.{The word for "brothers" here and where context allows may also be correctly translated "brothers and sisters" or "siblings."} 8:30 Whom he predestined, those he also called. Whom he called, those he also justified. Whom he justified, those he also glorified.
8:31 What then shall we say about these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 8:32 He who didn't spare his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how would he not also with him freely give us all things? 8:33 Who could bring a charge against God's chosen ones? It is God who justifies. 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, yes rather, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

Sins is weakness that cannot keep perfection, its impossible! Moreover, its impossible for God to lie about this truth. Perfection is the law, the weakness is in our flesh, which is, here, the entire argument Paul gives in Roman's the eighth chapter. Christ came to do away with the judgment of our flesh (the weakness), because we could not meet the perfection of God's righteous law. This is called unmerited kindness, and/or undeserved kindness, it is not called kindness from God by proving ourselves as God's children by works of law.

John 6:28 They said therefore to him, "What must we do, that we may work the works of God?" 6:29 Jesus answered them, "This is the work of God, that you believe in him whom he has sent."

John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, 'They will all be taught by God.'{Isaiah 54:13} Therefore everyone who hears from the Father, and has learned, comes to me. 6:46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except he who is from God. He has seen the Father.
6:47 Most certainly, I tell you, he who believes in me has eternal life. 6:48 I am the bread of life.

Ephesians 3:20 Now to him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us.
Galatians 3:2 I just want to learn this from you. Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by hearing of faith?

The gift of undeserved kindness of unfathomable love is not understood by our fleshly mind that is set upon evil and wickedness in judging ourselves and others as unworthy of meeting God's law. The fleshly mind is death, not life, it is Christ mind that is life, and it is given in a birth not of our will, or by our thoughts, nor our works, but by God's love. The flesh mind is dead to God, and in understanding the spirit mind of Christ, the fleshly mind cannot please God because is our works, which works of sin are alienated from God's mind of life.

Ephesians 1:11 in whom also we were assigned an inheritance, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who works all things after the counsel of his will.

Romans 9:11 For being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him who calls,

Romans 13:12 The night is far gone, and the day is near. Let's therefore throw off the works of darkness, and let's put on the armor of light.

*** Rom.8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

Here we find a dichotomy, a quaternary if you will! Does a person born into sin (flesh) have a choice if they think from the things of flesh? Not really. This statement may seem off the wall to some who believed they can by personal will causes themselves a rebirth by God's Holy Spirit, but they cannot! Why is this important to our understanding much of what Paul spoke to in the book of Roman's?

1Cor.2:10 But to us, God revealed them through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
2:11 For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of the man, which is in him? Even so, no one knows the things of God, except God's Spirit. 2:12 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that were freely given to us by God. 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual things.
2:14 Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 2:15 But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one.

This is why? The situation was those born of God's Spirit, God's anointed, his son's, and brothers of Christ just didn't get it? And what was it they could not get? They could not be people of the flesh, and be in Christ, or understand God as son's if they did. They were factually dead to God's anointing of them if they went back into laws for death, which were created to judge their flesh. Having said that, this is the theme of Roman's, so what flesh is Paul speaking about?

Romans 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed from Christ for my brothers' sake, my relatives according to the flesh.

Romans 11:14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh, and may save some of them.

Paul is speaking specifically about the Jews under the law given to Moses. Not one Jew under the law, could by works of law anointed themselves out of the law of Moses into Christ being freed from sin. That act came from above, from God YHWH, not a practice of the law designed to point out sins in imperfect people and than condemn those sins and execute judgment and punishment for doing those transgression against God.

1Tim.1:9 as knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1:10 for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave-traders, for liars, for perjurers, and for any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;

Romans 6:7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.

Subsequently, if a person was under the law of God as a Jews they were fleshly with no way out of its judgment they must think fleshly in terms of fleshly judgments of sins. They could not as Paul spoke of in Roman seventh chapter have a comparison of being freed in Christ and than seeing that nothing good dwelt in their flesh (under law), the flesh were not been killed by the law, it was killed by being born again into Christ freeing them from the laws wrath of sin and judgment by laws for wickedness. There was no comparison of fleshly mind by spirit mind of Christ.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

Romans 8:10 If Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the spirit is alive because of righteousness.

Romans 6:11 Thus consider yourselves also to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 7:4 Therefore, my brothers, you also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you would be joined to another, to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit to God.

Now understanding this helps us to understand why those not anointed by God's Holy Spirit really don't get his message accept in theory. They can intellectualize Paul's words, but not live them, that is, having the life of Christ indwelling them where the flesh constantly lust against his spirit and Christ mind. But here Paul speaks to those who have a choice, but they have forgotten their own cleansing and want to go back to works of law. He speak specifically to God's anointed Jews and Gentiles alike.

Romans 9:24 us, whom he also called, not from the Jews only, but also from the Gentiles?

1 Corinthians 1:24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God.

Those living according to the flesh not anointed by God in Christ really have no choice but living and thinking in their fleshly mind, hence, the Jews in practicing the law, but since Christ has came to call out a spiritual Israel first from among the Jews by faith they can now make a choice. But it is important that we take away a point here, flesh acts like flesh, it must live by laws of the flesh, and think by it nature in fleshly judgments. It is only those born again that must thinking in laws of freedom, which laws are the laws of Christ.

1 Peter 2:16 as free, and not using your freedom for a cloak of wickedness, but as bondservants of God.

1Tim.1:9 as knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers.

James 2:12 So speak, and so do, as men who are to be judged by a law of freedom.

Galatians 5:13 For you, brothers, were called for freedom. Only don't use your freedom for gain to the flesh, but through love be servants to one another.

It is when they refuse by choice to judge again by laws they themselves are freed from they are dead to mind of Christ, and will make faulty judgments. They do not gain by practicing laws of the flesh through a religion or even from their bibles such thinking is dead in Christ. They have been saved from the price of their sins, and from God's judgment of the laws created for the unrighteous which is wrath to the flesh, and particular so for his anointed children.

Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

Romans 4:15 For the law works wrath, for where there is no law, neither is there disobedience.

Romans 9:22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath made for destruction.

Ephesians 2:3 among whom we also all once lived in the lust of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

Rom.8:6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace; 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile towards God; for it is not subject to God's law, neither indeed can it be.

Here we find words offend offensive to Christian's, and certainly to the Jews, when its actually dawns upon them in context of what Paul was stating about the condition of our flesh? Now remember in chapter seven the charter before this one, Paul stated nothing good dwelt in his flesh!

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don't find it doing that which is good.

We must as Christian's divide between the truth of our fallen flesh, and the Spirit of God indwelling us. In other words, God kills the flesh, and deals with us in Spirit and truth, that is, our spirit freed from the judgment of our flesh. Which sinful flesh cannot meet God's righteousness under the law, or for that matter under the new covenant, the law of love.

Romans 6:7 For he who has died has been freed from sin.

1 Peter 2:24 who his own self bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live to righteousness; by whose stripes you were healed.

Galatians 2:21 I don't make void the grace of God. For if righteousness is through the law, then Christ died for nothing!"

Galatians 2:19 For I, through the law, died to the law, that I might live to God.

Subsequently, if God kills our flesh, that is, its judgment it is dead, so any time we are of fleshly mind, we are dead to God. God cannot consort with evil, which is, the fleshly sin we are conceived in. This thought alone is offensive to many Christian's because they have good feelings and believe those good feelings are God's good feelings. Herein lays the problem when a person goes by their good feelings assuming they are God's, they make God into a man. thinking and feeling as they do. Moreover, they are easily deceived, why? Because if something is done that makes them feel good spiritually they believe their feelings are pure, and good from God.

James 3:8 But nobody can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. 3:9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who are made in the image of God. 3:10 Out of the same mouth comes forth blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. 3:11 Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water? 3:12 Can a fig tree, my brothers, yield olives, or a vine figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh water. 3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by his good conduct that his deeds are done in gentleness of wisdom. 3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, don't boast and don't lie against the truth.

Once that type of thinking starts (emotionally) a person cannot understand how God does not love the world (the flesh and its desires) or the things in the world. Furthermore, they make its man's effort to bring the light into the world, they build various projects that do good for other humans declaring those projects are directed by God, and approved of God. Hence, those believing this illusion, and lie when appointed to a position within an institution honestly believe their appointment came from God. Subsequently, making them obligated in justifying the evil done within the same institution from the flesh mind, which is not of God!

James4:1 Where do wars and fightings among you come from? Don't they come from your pleasures that war in your members? 4:2 You lust, and don't have. You kill, covet, and can't obtain. You fight and make war. You don't have, because you don't ask.
4:3 You ask, and don't receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it for your pleasures. 4:4 You adulterers and adulteresses, don't you know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 4:5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who lives in us yearns jealously"? 4:6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."{Proverbs

God's standard of righteous is based upon truth it cannot be mixed into some good and some evil of human feelings. If mankind could bail themselves out of death from sin by good feelings/works. God would not of had to send his son to die an agonizing death for our sins. If the world was redeemable by good works, which mankind does towards each other, and want to do? God would not have to bring in an in coming Kingdom that destroys all mankind's Kingdom, and stand to time indefinite.

Daniel 2:44 In the days of those kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. 2:45 Because you saw that a stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God has made known to the king what shall happen hereafter: and the dream is certain, and its interpretation sure.

Lets us remember mankind is in death they have no hope unless God is good and not their goodness that has been long proven since Adam sinned. The entire bible is based upon blood atonement, not mankind atoning for sins by good works. Blood at the cost of precious life has been poured out for our sins, no matter where you go into God's written word, this is no accident. This is Paul's point here to these brothers and sister, do they want the truth of Christ life being destroyed for their redemption into a sinless spirit life with God, and Christ indwelling them? Or do they want the righteousness of the law which judged them as sinner in our flesh, leaving us hopeless, with no way out of a the mind of sin (fleshly) that cannot please God?

1Tim.1:9 as knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1:10 for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave-traders, for liars, for perjurers, and for any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;

This is no small matter it is one that has deceived most of this world into false religion and caused the Jews to reject Christ. The redeemabliness of mankind is solely, and wholly in God's goodness and not mankind. God is at war with sin and death, he will without doubt annihilate it from the hearts, minds, and souls of the human race. Nothing of the corruption of sin will enter into a righteousness new heavens or earth, nothing! God is not building up kingdoms, or religions upon this earth that always corrupts; to hang a logo upon that reads: “Made by God!”

Exodus 34:14 for you shall worship no other god: for Yahweh, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God.

Rom.1:20 For the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity; that they may be without excuse. 1:21 Because, knowing God, they didn't glorify him as God, neither gave thanks, but became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless heart was darkened. 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, 1:23 and traded the glory of the incorruptible God for the likeness of an image of corruptible man, and of birds, and four-footed animals, and creeping things.

These brothers and sisters were created for Christ Kingdom not earthly works done in institutions with signs stating built by God! They are to give a message that calls ones out of darkness into the wonderful light, they are not that light called into for private projects upon earth of doing good works through a human corporation or religion. Christ is that wonderful light (the temple of God where they are born into); being made a part of his wonderful precious sinless light sharing in his light and his works to this world by faith!

Isaiah 25:1 Yahweh, you are my God. I will exalt you! I will praise your name, for you have done wonderful things, things planned long ago, in complete faithfulness and truth.

1 John 1:5 This is the message which we have heard from him and announce to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Titus 3:3 For we were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. 3:4 But when the kindness of God our Savior and his love toward mankind appeared, 3:5 not by works of righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy, he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 3:6 whom he poured out on us richly, through Jesus Christ our Savior; 3:7 that, being justified by his grace, we might be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

***Rom.8:8 Those who are in the flesh can't please God.

Many read Paul's statements here and take them as metaphorically, how could God not be please with our flesh? We help others in our flesh, we uses are hands in good works, we can be honest with our hands, we can build a church a religion in our flesh, feed the poor, so what did Paul mean here?

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

First, we must understand the apostle Paul is speaking the truth of law, not what we feel, or think in our flesh. Judgment by a law is stating a truth of a crime committed, a condition we have violated. It is not judging the person feelings of good or bad. Nor is it judging some good works the person may have done or will do. It is rather stating a material fact of law that one has violated. Than when that fact is established it convicts the person of a transgression against the law.

James 4:11 Don't speak against one another, brothers. He who speaks against a brother and judges his brother, speaks against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law, but a judge. 4:12 Only one is the lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge another?

A good person can run as Stop sign, and evil person can run the same Stop sign. Our feelings good or bad does not change the fact we have violated the law. The law has no feeling in the matter, it must convict upon proof of the violation. When sin enter into the human race it violated the law of life, that is, man was created for to live forever in his flesh upon this earth. Because sin violated the law, the judgment and/or conviction was passed on to us, we inherited sin from Adam. The conviction for sinning is death, sin removes us from the source of life YHWH. Subsequently, without God's life sustaining Spirit human die in their sins, and/or flesh. All human die in their flesh, all, not one has lived on since Adam.

Romans 5:12 Therefore, as sin entered into the world through one man, and death through sin; and so death passed to all men, because all sinned.

Nothing in the flesh under sin is good, it is just the opposite of life, so God's says it is death, it cannot produce life that must be given free of sin by our association with God's Spirit of life. Sin cannot please God, it evil to him in all sizes and amounts because it kills the Spirit of life which cannot associated with darkness. Men have for thousand's of years tried not to sin. They watched over themselves and other in stricked obedience to God's laws. Yet, no human can say they are free of sin by some good work or effort they have put forth. That is the reason the greatest men on earth and/or woman, even if they have had a life of service to God still die!

Romans 3:20 Because by the works of the law, no flesh will be justified in his sight. For through the law comes the knowledge of sin.

Romans 4:8 Blessed is the man whom the Lord will by no means charge with sin."{Psalm 32:1-2}

This is why Paul was hated, Christian's, and Jews alike could not, and still cannot separated their feelings, and good works, by the truth of the law. They felt above the judgment of the law because of a life of service to God, and/or their love for God by meeting requirement of the law. In other words, they had built a resume over a time with God by their works, which made them better than a convicted sinners by God's law.

Ephesians 2:8 for by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God.

1 Corinthians 4:7 For who makes you different? And what do you have that you didn't receive? But if you did receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?

How could they not be better if others were blatantly violating God's laws when they were suffering to keep it? But what they missed and so many still miss is, feelings, emotions, and/or our judgments have nothing to do with the laws conviction of us as a sinner, we have run the Stop sign at birth. That is the truth of the law! So if in our flesh we cannot remove sins by our efforts of good or bad than nothing good dwells in our flesh for eternal life.

Rom.7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don't find it doing that which is good.

From that point Jew's and Gentiles alike have but one choice to eternal life. That choice is allowing the blood of Christ to take our sins away from God's judgment of them. Furthermore, greater or more judgments of our flesh will not help in taking sins away. (which was the point of the law). Further judgment will not give us eternal life. This is the conversation Paul is speaking to in Roman's the eighth chapter.

Rom.7:22 For I delight in God's law after the inward man,
7:23 but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members. 7:24 What a wretched man I am! Who will deliver me out of the body of this death? 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ, our Lord! So then with the mind, I myself serve God's law, but with the flesh, the sin's law.

Which is, if the laws judges your flesh as dead, what is the point of returning to a law that judges you dead nothing can come from further judgments, but more sin and death. If however, your flesh is accounted dead to judgment of sin in Christ you are free of condemnation of sins judgment, by laws that convicting you of sin. But if you stay in the judgment of flesh by laws created for sin instead of Christ, than you cannot please God in the flesh by judgments dead to God.

Romans 6:11 Thus consider yourselves also to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 6:12 Therefore don't let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts.

For us to be free, without condemnation, we must be in Christ, because Christ is sinless, our being part of his sinless life, that is, God had no judgment of Christ by the laws because the law is not for the righteous, his life makes us free from the judgment of the flesh. The flesh is dead (under laws of sin) in Christ. The freedom comes from our being in Christ, and not the law, which law convicting every human as dead to God; death from sin is the exact opposite of life. Our emotions and striving within our flesh with our brothers and sisters has nothing to do with God, or his judgment of us, why?

James 4:1 Where do wars and fightings among you come from? Don't they come from your pleasures that war in your members?
4:2 You lust, and don't have. You kill, covet, and can't obtain. You fight and make war. You don't have, because you don't ask.
4:3 You ask, and don't receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it for your pleasures.
4:4 You adulterers and adulteresses, don't you know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
4:5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who lives in us yearns jealously"? 4:6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."{Proverbs 3:34}

Because those judgments in our flesh don't exist with God, they exist in our own members under the thinking of our fleshly mind, and this is why Christ made this point so clear.

John 8:15 You judge according to the flesh. I judge no one.

Matt.7:1 "Don't judge, so that you won't be judged.
7:2 For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you. 7:3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye? 7:4 Or how will you tell your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye;' and behold, the beam is in your own eye? 7:5 You hypocrite! First remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.

If we are in the body of Christ, how do we remove sin that doesn't exist? And if your not in the body of Christ, but under laws of death pointing out sin, will judging sin more put us into the body of Christ, so who will rescue us out of death?

Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ.

***Rom.8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.

Why all the violent judgment of the flesh among professed Christian's? What is in our flesh that God likes? What is in our flesh that makes us so judgmental towards another person flesh? These are not trick questions, they are mere facts that most of us really don't like dealing with. But Christ said; “those loving the light (light which is Christ Jesus) comes to the light that their works mighty be exposed”.

John 7:24 Don't judge according to appearance, but judge righteous judgment."
John 8:15 You judge according to the flesh. I judge no one.

But what if we come to flesh, and not the light Christ Jesus having the Spirit of God? Does Christ promote the lies of our flesh? No? But do we lie about the condition of our fallen flesh as so many religious people do practicing false religion? Yes, they know they are lying when hating someone in their heart than meeting the person they put on the airs of righteousness with their mouth. Is that not false, and is that not religion at its worst?

Mark 7:6 He answered them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written, 'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.

Yes, we justify the bad by the good words coming from our mouths thinking we have done a religious duty in not hurting the person feelings, but did you know that is from your own flesh, and its mind, it has nothing to do with God at all? Here than is the wall we have hit, there is no getting around it no matter how much we try, and what is that?

James 3:8 But nobody can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. 3:9 With it we bless our God and Father, and with it we curse men, who are made in the image of God.
3:10 Out of the same mouth comes forth blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. 3:11 Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water?
3:12 Can a fig tree, my brothers, yield olives, or a vine figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh water.
3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by his good conduct that his deeds are done in gentleness of wisdom.
3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, don't boast and don't lie against the truth.
3:15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, sensual, and demonic. 3:16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition are, there is confusion and every evil deed.

We cannot be justified in our flesh, it can't be done, not because its written here, it is because God says it can't be done in your bibles. God never said he was reforming the flesh, and if your a honest person loving the truth; now lets qualify that statement. We are not talking about truth written on paper from your bible or in a book, but the truth of the flesh and its unrighteous fallen condition than we understand clearly our flesh is a hypocrite religiously!

Rom.7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don't find it doing that which is good. 7:19 For the good which I desire, I don't do; but the evil which I don't desire, that I practice.

Romans 3:10 As it is written, "There is no one righteous; no, not one.

God has judged it dead, not some dead, but dead, none of its works produce righteousness of God, it produce that which is dead, and it is false religions in its purest form! The flesh cannot stop making excuses for its conduct, it cannot stop arguing its point, and it cannot stop waging war with the Spirit of God. That is the wall we have run into and up against.

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, that you may not do the things that you desire.

God removed that wall, by declaring our flesh dead to him, he puts our flesh to death once for all times. We are accounted free from the flesh, although, we don't feel it because of our fleshes wars with the Spirit, and our flesh is justifying liar! This is why we cannot listen to our flesh lies, we must believe Christ died once for all times, and we are dead to sins in our flesh.

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me. That life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.

Our feeling of worthiness are nice, but we cannot judge those matters our feelings come from our flesh, and its wants and needs. The Law is dead to God and its judgment of sinful flesh. We must have faith not in ourselves, trying to prove we are righteous in our flesh. But faith in Christ righteousness that is given us by God's love. In Christ righteousness as good, which is our salvation. God has judged us dead in our flesh, and Christ as righteous, God has done this just one time, and forever, given us Christ righteousness where we have no more judgment of our flesh.

Romans 6:19 I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh, for as you presented your members as servants to uncleanness and to wickedness upon wickedness, even so now present your members as servants to righteousness for sanctification.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.{NU omits "who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit"}

Romans 8:3 For what the law couldn't do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh;

The rest is of our flesh, it is our wrestling that will perfect our faith in spirit not in our flesh, When flesh is crucified it does not just lay there and die. It fights for its last breathe with all its life force, should we think our nice little flesh is going to not fight us? But remember the fight was lost, not because of your righteousness, but Christ. The flesh is dead, or its not? If your faith accounts it dead, despite the lying flesh telling you don't trust in the power of God promises your a no good sinner than your flesh has won! Lets us remember the truth is not about feeling from our flesh, the truth stand it won't be changed ever because of our feelings, our feelings lie to the truth all the time.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God," for God can't be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one. 1:14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. 1:15 Then the lust, when it has conceived, bears sin; and the sin, when it is full grown, brings forth death.
1:16 Don't be deceived, my beloved brothers. 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow.
1:18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.
1:19 So, then, my beloved brothers, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger; 1:20 for the anger of man doesn't produce the righteousness of God.

We know nothing good dwells in our flesh, God has said its dead to him. Do you really believe the truth? Don't be fooled you don't kill your flesh, God has, you live in Spirit by faith, faith beyond your abilities, but in God's power by Holy Spirit.

1Cor.4:1 So let a man think of us as Christ's servants, and stewards of God's mysteries. 4:2 Here, moreover, it is required of stewards, that they be found faithful. 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you, or by man's judgment. Yes, I don't judge my own self. 4:4 For I know nothing against myself. Yet I am not justified by this, but he who judges me is the Lord. 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each man will get his praise from God.

Romans 6:4 We were buried therefore with him through baptism to death, that just like Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:9 knowing that Christ, being raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no more has dominion over him!

Romans 6:11 Thus consider yourselves also to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 9:30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, who didn't follow after righteousness, attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith;

Romans 9:32 Why? Because they didn't seek it by faith, but as it were by works of the law. They stumbled over the stumbling stone;

Romans 10:6 But the righteousness which is of faith says this, "Don't say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?'{Deuteronomy 30:12} (that is, to bring Christ down);

***Rom.8:11 But if the Spirit of him who raised up Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised up Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

What Spirit raised Christ? Raised him where? Why did Christ die in his flesh, and what did Paul mean our moral bodies? Paul's words here are not conjecture, and/or speculation they are indeed the Christ and what he lived and died for. They are the foundation stone of our entire faith, but it is the context in which Paul places his thoughts in Roman's the eighth chapter that is important to our understanding his meaning.

Rom.7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were through the law, worked in our members to bring forth fruit to death. 7:6 But now we have been discharged from the law, having died to that in which we were held; so that we serve in newness of the spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

Christ had something we don't, and what is that? Perfect sinless flesh, his body was a living sacrifice given too us because none of us could be sinless born of Adam. Thus, when Christ was hung on a stake, he took the curse of Adam off of us, but how? By replacing Adam's life with his sinless life, hence, he was now able to produce a new human race without passing onto them sin of Adam condemned by the laws of God, provided we remained him in, that is, Spirit.

1 John 3:6 Whoever remains in him doesn't sin. Whoever sins hasn't seen him, neither knows him.

1 John 3:9 Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God.

Christ was put to death in the flesh and made alive in the Spirit setting a pattern for us to follow, by being put to death in Christ and raised in the Spirit as Christ himself was, and is. Our mortal bodies live by what? Spirit, but why? Because they are accounted dead to God, I mean literally dead, we cannot live unless the Spirit of God makes us alive. If we are in flesh and its thoughts we are dead to Spirit.

1 John 4:9 By this God's love was revealed in us, that God has sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.

1 Peter 4:2 that you no longer should live the rest of your time in the flesh for the lusts of men, but for the will of God.

James 4:15 For you ought to say, "If the Lord wills, we will both live, and do this or that."

Subsequently, in that state of death, and raised in Christ there is a newness of life, a new creation if you will which is sinless, why sinless? Because God does not commune with sin, nor does sin rule, and/or live in his Spiritual Temple the Christ. The flesh is dead, the body passed on by Adam's sin is buried, gone, forever in Christ life the new Adam. The law is dead, and its power towards sin is stripped, in the new life of Christ Jesus the last Adam.

1 Corinthians 4:20 For the Kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

1 Corinthians 6:14 Now God raised up the Lord, and will also raise us up by his power.

1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in clay vessels, that the exceeding greatness of the power may be of God, and not from ourselves.

Christ in his righteousness completed the law, meeting its righteous standards as a non-sinner shutting the book forever upon all its physical temple service, and became the Temple of God with his righteousness cleansing all those within his body, the temple of God.

James 1:30 But of him, you are in Christ Jesus, who was made to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption: 1:31 that, according as it is written, "He who boasts, let him boast in the Lord."{Jeremiah 9:24}

John 2:19 Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up." 2:20 The Jews therefore said, "Forty-six years was this temple in building, and will you raise it up in three days?" 2:21 But he spoke of the temple of his body.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Don't you know that you are a temple of God, and that God's Spirit lives in you?

Now we come upon the point of Paul discussion, the problem that so many still maintain some two-thousand years later, the flesh, the pattern not of Christ in Spirit and truth, but the same old pattern of all sinful flesh in trying unsuccessfully to kill the flesh by rules and laws created to expose, convict, and punish the flesh for its sins, that is, giving power back to the law, sin! Why were they doing so back in Paul's time, would you like to know the truth?

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

James 2:10 For whoever keeps the whole law, and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.

Hebrews 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good to come, not the very image of the things, can never with the same sacrifices year by year, which they offer continually, make perfect those who draw near.

It was because the Spirit stripped the power of our flesh, it kills its judgments, its hates, and jealousy, leaving it with no power to build and control others, its that simple. Thus, we have an everlasting war, the flesh lusting to take power through the bible to protect and build a life on this earth, and the Spirit which has no life on this earth and adds nothing to this world.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, isn't the Father's, but is the world's. 2:17 The world is passing away with its lusts, but he who does God's will remains forever.

The Spirit is a very narrow road, and few find it, most drift off into false religion, and its pattern of flesh, because the flesh wants both worlds, and to have both worlds its needs righteous laws and judgments to build institutions, religion, governments, commerce, and a life where one can have it all in the name of God and Christ. This is the context, it is the restrain that was to be taken away, and the reason we have a world wide field of weed Christian's, warring and judging each other in flesh that Christ killed two thousand's years ago! But it much like how they catch a monkey by putting a hole in a coconut filling the coconut with with fruit enticing the lust of the beast to put his hand in the hole gabbing the fruit making a fist so he can't pull his hand back out.

James 4:1 Where do wars and fightings among you come from? Don't they come from your pleasures that war in your members?
4:2 You lust, and don't have. You kill, covet, and can't obtain. You fight and make war. You don't have, because you don't ask.
4:3 You ask, and don't receive, because you ask with wrong motives, so that you may spend it for your pleasures.
4:4 You adulterers and adulteresses, don't you know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. 4:5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who lives in us yearns jealously"?

So goes those that want to be debtors to the flesh, so they can hold debts of others for payment of making people conform to their ways, without such forbidden fruit they lose all power and control of this life, and must wait upon God in faith the Spirit to make their mortal bodies alive in Christ walking in love!

Col.2:13 You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 2:14 wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us; and he has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross; 2:15 having stripped the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Romans 6:11 Thus consider yourselves also to be dead to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 6:13 Neither present your members to sin as instruments of unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God, as alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

***Rom.8:12 So then, brothers, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

Has your debt for sin been paid or not as a Christian? Now your faced with one of the most fundamental profound thought you will ever face on this earth, and what is that? Do you hold the debts of others? This is the point Paul makes in the book of Roman's, these brothers and sisters unwittingly wanted to hold the debt of sin that they themselves had been freed from.

Luke 23:34 Jesus said, "Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing." Dividing his garments among them, they cast lots.

However, it was not so simple, as it isn't today, and why is that? Because judging sin as unrighteous is truth, judging sin as evil is truth, but that was not the question, or the problem here, the problem was? Debt, being a debtor to sin once again after being freed from sin and its judgments in Christ? Christian's must face some legal truths like it or not. To judge sin, means one is demanding a payment for a debt owed to whom? This is a legal truth!

Romans 4:4 Now to him who works, the reward is not counted as grace, but as debt.

Matthew 18:32 Then his lord called him in, and said to him, 'You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt, because you begged me.

If your a god than you may ask for appeasement for debt from those that have wrongs you, can you not? But how does a lesser god atone for sins? Does there not have to be blood poured out for sins remission? If not, do they not remain? God atones our sins once for all times, please do not think like the world that God is cutting Christ wrist over and over again for our daily sins! Why would a person have such a false concept? Its is because of false teachings! God completed that which judges us as a sinner once for all time, which is the law, the law in this context holds a debt for payment paid in blood, did you know that? Blood, or life is not owned by mankind, life is created by God and given too us as a wonderful gift from God, it is those who are evil that buy, take, and steal, lives of others thinking they own life and debts for sins!

Rom.13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.

So here is the problem, the law is good, it is righteous, and its is from God, but if God did not remove it off of you and me in Christ we could never pay our debts. Subsequently, all that we have would be found in a debtors prison with no way to work hard enough to get out of it. In other words, we would die in our sins, now that is a big deal, because eternal life is depended upon atonement and forgiveness of our debt of sins against God YHWH the King!

Matt.18:23 Therefore the Kingdom of Heaven is like a certain king, who wanted to reconcile accounts with his servants. 18:24 When he had begun to reconcile, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents.{Ten thousand talents represents an extremely large sum of money, equivalent to about 60,000,000 denarii, where one denarius was typical of one day's wages for agricultural labor.} 18:25 But because he couldn't pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, with his wife, his children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
18:26 The servant therefore fell down and kneeled before him, saying, 'Lord, have patience with me, and I will repay you all!' 18:27 The lord of that servant, being moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt. 18:28 "But that servant went out, and found one of his fellow servants, who owed him one hundred denarii,{100 denarii was about one sixtieth of a talent.} and he grabbed him, and took him by the throat, saying, 'Pay me what you owe!'
18:29 "So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, 'Have patience with me, and I will repay you!' 18:30 He would not, but went and cast him into prison, until he should pay back that which was due. 18:31 So when his fellow servants saw what was done, they were exceedingly sorry, and came and told to their lord all that was done.
18:32 Then his lord called him in, and said to him, 'You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt, because you begged me.
18:33 Shouldn't you also have had mercy on your fellow servant, even as I had mercy on you?'
18:34 His lord was angry, and delivered him to the tormentors, until he should pay all that was due to him.
18:35 So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don't each forgive your brother from your hearts for his misdeeds."

Now imagine if you will that God is like us He justifies going back on his word for a good motives to punish sin once more like these brothers and sister were willing to do to their brothers? Bring back the old law trampling upon the precious life of the son of God treating what had been paid for by his life's blood with contempt, putting the law over us again? Going back to animal sacrifice, back to an earthly temple, back to being killed for things we do daily?

Matthew 7:6 "Don't give that which is holy to the dogs, neither throw your pearls before the pigs, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Hebrews 9:14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, cleanse your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

No these brothers and sister needed to sober up to righteousness the law was for debt and punishment of the wicked. It was not created for the righteous, but who is righteous according to the law? Not one person, again, not one person! Not unless, they had been atoned for by innocent blood, are you getting the picture? If we cannot pay debt and we hold debt for religious purposes such as organized religion to bring people under control, how do we pay our debt if God is impartial?

Matt.7:1 "Don't judge, so that you won't be judged.
7:2 For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you.

1Tim.1:9 as knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1:10 for the sexually immoral, for homosexuals, for slave-traders, for liars, for perjurers, and for any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;

Romans 3:10 As it is written, "There is no one righteous; no, not one.

In other words, if you judge debt than you owe debt, and if you owe debt you are not free in Christ. This is why Christian's holding debts pollute that which is free of debt by yeast of sin. To be free, truly free makes us vulnerable that is the price for freedom in Christ. Holding debt protect us, it can make us rich in this system of things but poor in the next. Holding debts can make us powerful in the flesh, but dead in Christ. Freedom in Christ will cost us our lives in this world, either by death or lost of all things the world pursues, we either build in this world or be torn down by it for maintaining the price of freedom in Christ by not holding debt of sin.

2 Corinthians 8:9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that you through his poverty might become rich.

The road is narrow and cramp and few can go the distance many of those called here to freedom could not go the distance because it meant no power in their flesh, no glory in the flesh, but instead power in Spirit which Spirit keep their mortal bodies alive in Christ. They must remember the most important thing that conquerors everything in this world of debt by sin, and what is that? Love, the love of the Father waiting for the glory of their Father to be revealed in them for such a hard faithful course upon this earth, unknown, unliked, and hated by this world of debt that Satan uses to enslave all nation upon earth.

Rom.8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed toward us. 8:19 For the creation waits with eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 8:20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 8:21 that the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of decay into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.

Rom.8:36 Even as it is written, "For your sake we are killed all day long. We were accounted as sheep for the slaughter."{Psalm 44:22}
8:37 No, in all these things, we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

****Rom.8:18 For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which will be revealed toward us.

Here the apostle Paul starts bring his argument about the Spirit and flesh to a conclusion. Why such a demarcation discussed between flesh and Spirit? Why is it the flesh lust against the Spirit? Why can they not be at peace with each other? Moreover, what is God's purposes in letting this war continue for thousand's of years of tribulation for his temple class on earth still in the flesh?

Isaiah 53:11 After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light{So read the Dead Sea Scrolls and Septuagint. Masoretic Text omits "the light".} and be satisfied. My righteous servant will justify many by the knowledge of himself; and he will bear their iniquities.

Romans 5:3 Not only this, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering works perseverance;

Let us be mindful as Christian's that it is the flesh that must die, it is the flesh that cannot be reformed into a better fleshly minded person, let us clearly understand as hard as it may be that corruption cannot inherit incorruptibility. That it is our flesh under sin that perfects our spirit in God's love how by suffering with its lust against the Spirit of God in us.

James 5:10 Take, brothers, for an example of suffering and of patience, the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord.

Some may conclude this suffering is common to all mankind, but is it? Not according to Paul writings, it is a truth of God's anointed, but why? Simply, put, they are the temple of the living God on earth in their fallen flesh. Can God's Spirit be in sinful flesh without a war? Can God's Spirit dwell anywhere in this world of darkness that wicked spirit force are not attacking?

2 Corinthians 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we don't wage war according to the flesh; 10:4 for the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but mighty before God to the throwing down of strongholds.

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me. That life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.

Let us not be fooled here thinking that what God has predestined to set creation free is not happening every day for two thousand's years upon this earth because certainly the wicked spirit believe and shutter! The center of all controversy on earth and in heaven rest in God's temple the center of his power and glory towards mankind's hope. Let none of God's children think what God has planted in them by seed of incorruptibility is normal, mundane Christian's life like the field of weeds that they coexist in presently.

2 Chronicles 29:16 The priests went in to the inner part of the house of Yahweh, to cleanse it, and brought out all the uncleanness that they found in the temple of Yahweh into the court of the house of Yahweh. The Levites took it, to carry it out abroad to the brook Kidron.

Psalms 11:4 Yahweh is in his holy temple. Yahweh is on his throne in heaven. His eyes observe. His eyes examine the children of men.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Don't you know that you are a temple of God, and that God's Spirit lives in you?

Paul makes clear in no uncertain terms God's reason for suffering in the flesh for God's anointed, its not optional, nor do we have to look for trouble it is the promise of our anointing that wicked spirit force hate God's Holy Spirit they are set upon destroying God plan in setting His creation free, through the suffering of the new creation, Christ Jesus and us part of him.

Revelation 12:17 The dragon grew angry with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep God's commandments and hold Jesus' testimony.

Heb.2:12 saying, "I will declare your name to my brothers. In the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise."{Psalm 22:22}
2:13 Again, "I will put my trust in him."{Isaiah 8:17} Again, "Behold, here I am with the children whom God has given me."{Isaiah 8:18}
2:14 Since then the children have shared in flesh and blood, he also himself in like manner partook of the same, that through death he might bring to nothing him who had the power of death, that is, the devil,
2:15 and might deliver all of them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
2:16 For most certainly, he doesn't give help to angels, but he gives help to the seed of Abraham. 2:17 Therefore he was obligated in all things to be made like his brothers, that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make atonement for the sins of the people. 2:18 For in that he himself has suffered being tempted, he is able to help those who are tempted.

This world and the things of this world will not work for those anointed with God's Spirit, they must have the mind of Christ, arming themselves with the same mental disposition as Christ in humility because the flesh is violent towards us, and it is growing exceedingly so as the days go from bad to worst at Christ coming with his holy angels.

Ephesians 2:2 In which you were living in the past, after the ways of this present world, doing the pleasure of the lord of the power of the air, the spirit who is now working in those who go against the purpose of God;

Jude 1:18 How they said to you, In the last days there will be men who, guided by their evil desires, will make sport of holy things.

2 Timothy 3:1 But be certain of this, that in the last days times of trouble will come.

What is temporarily? All flesh is temporarily, and momentary, what last forever the word of God, which each anointed person has become apart of the Word of God, Christ Jesus. The glory that will be reveal in us has no depth, it is not shallow waters the world knows in fixing the overwhelming problems of mankind. The waters of God get deeper and deeper in Spirit and truth until all things are made new, and righteous flesh will fill this earth, flesh made new, by God creation through suffering in unrighteous flesh!

Isa.40:6 A voice of one saying, Give a cry! And I said, What is my cry to be? All flesh is grass, and all its strength like the flower of the field. 40:7 The grass becomes dry, the flower is dead; because the breath of the Lord goes over it: truly the people is grass. 40:8 The grass is dry, the flower is dead; but the word of our God is eternal.

2 Corinthians 5:17 so that if any one `is' in Christ -- `he is' a new creature; the old things did pass away, lo, become new have the all things.

Revelation 21:5 And he who is seated on the high seat said, See, I make all things new. And he said, Put it in the book; for these words are certain and true.

Revelation 19:1 After these things there came to my ears a sound like the voice of a great band of people in heaven, saying, Praise to the Lord; salvation and glory and power be to our God:

****Rom.8:19 For the creation waits with eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed. 8:20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not of its own will, but because of him who subjected it, in hope 8:21 that the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of decay into the liberty of the glory of the children of God. 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groans and travails in pain together until now.

Vanity the quality of being worthless or futile.
"the vanity of human wishes"
synonyms:
futility, uselessness, pointlessness, worthlessness, fruitlessness
"the vanity of all desires of the will"

Solomon the wisest of all Kings said life was vanity a chasing after the wind. Strange thought because human in each generation don't think their lives or efforts on this earth is vanity! They simply refused to give into any thought of their life being pointless, useless, and/or fruitless.

Psalms 89:47 Remember how short my time is! For what vanity have you created all the children of men!

Ecclesiastes 1:2 "Vanity of vanities," says the Preacher; "Vanity of vanities, all is vanity."

Ecclesiastes 1:14 I have seen all the works that are done under the sun; and behold, all is vanity and a chasing after wind.

Ecclesiastes 2:1 I said in my heart, "Come now, I will test you with mirth: therefore enjoy pleasure;" and behold, this also was vanity.

Ecclesiastes 2:11 Then I looked at all the works that my hands had worked, and at the labor that I had labored to do; and behold, all was vanity and a chasing after wind, and there was no profit under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 2:15 Then said I in my heart, "As it happens to the fool, so will it happen even to me; and why was I then more wise?" Then said I in my heart that this also is vanity.

Ecclesiastes 2:17 So I hated life, because the work that is worked under the sun was grievous to me; for all is vanity and a chasing after wind.

Pride of being important is also vanity, but Paul under power of Holy Spirit state the creation of God, man include was subject to vanity or futility not by its own will, but by his. In other words, without God as our complete ruler life has no meaning, what? Life is a gift given each of us, but if we don't find God and do his will this life is pointless, worthless, without meaning, why? It is simply a chasing after the wind, because life cannot continual or anything we do under the Sun, our hates, our jealousy, our material things, even our name will vanish in time.

Ecclesiastes 3:19 For that which happens to the sons of men happens to animals. Even one thing happens to them. As the one dies, so the other dies. Yes, they have all one breath; and man has no advantage over the animals: for all is vanity.

Ecclesiastes 4:4 Then I saw all the labor and achievement that is the envy of a man's neighbor. This also is vanity and a striving after wind.

Ecclesiastes 4:7 Then I returned and saw vanity under the sun.

Ecclesiastes 4:8 There is one who is alone, and he has neither son nor brother. There is no end to all of his labor, neither are his eyes satisfied with wealth. For whom then, do I labor, and deprive my soul of enjoyment? This also is vanity, yes, it is a miserable business.

Ecclesiastes 4:16 There was no end of all the people, even of all them over whom he was--yet those who come after shall not rejoice in him. Surely this also is vanity and a chasing after wind.

But here Paul is speaking to God's anointed those with the Spirit that will set creation free from enslavement, enslavement to what? Vanity, pride, futility, wishful for thinking that cannot produce anything in God's world. Enslavement to the seed planted in the Garden of Eden, which grew into a massive tree call this system of things alienated from God, sin!

Isaiah 40:17 All the nations are like nothing before him. They are regarded by him as less than nothing, and vanity.

Isaiah 41:29 Behold, all of them, their works are vanity and nothing. Their molten images are wind and confusion.

Jeremiah 16:19 Yahweh, my strength, and my stronghold, and my refuge in the day of affliction, to you shall the nations come from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Our fathers have inherited nothing but lies, [even] vanity and things in which there is no profit.

1 John 2:15 Don't love the world, neither the things that are in the world. If anyone loves the world, the Father's love isn't in him. 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, isn't the Father's, but is the world's. 2:17 The world is passing away with its lusts, but he who does God's will remains forever.

The whole system groans for what? Freedom from enslavement to its own thinking which is death. In other words, if all the desires of mankind heart could be built into cities, government, religion, and commerce what would it produce in the way of eternal life? Could it pass anything more onto the next generation, but death and futility, or would it like many believe in vanity that things are going to get better and better until Nirvana is reach?

Matt.7:16 By their fruits you will know them. Do you gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? 7:17 Even so, every good tree produces good fruit; but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit.
7:18 A good tree can't produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit.

Has society increased in morals, in the gift of Holy Spirit, it certainly has prosper materially only to degrade into corruption of pride and vanity. Paul did not paint a self-help positive picture for any anointed brother of sister to think they were going to have wonderful prosperous life on this earth and pass into heavenly glory only to eat the icing on the cake.

Romans 5:3 Not only this, but we also rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering works perseverance.

James 5:10 Take, brothers, for an example of suffering and of patience, the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord.

Philippians 1:29 Because it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ, not only to believe in him, but also to suffer on his behalf.

Galatians 3:4 Did you suffer so many things in vain, if it is indeed in vain?

He stated instead what the wisest and one of the most wealthy kings himself being under the direction of the Holy Spirit said that life is vanity a chasing after the wind if we have not been set free from enslavement that will end up into a pointless life on this earth. These brothers and sisters had been set free of the corruption of creation and its thinking, but how?

Galatians 5:1 Stand firm therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and don't be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

Galatians 4:26 But the Jerusalem that is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

John 3:31 He who comes from above is above all. He who is from the Earth belongs to the Earth, and speaks of the Earth. He who comes from heaven is above all.

John 8:23 He said to them, "You are from beneath. I am from above. You are of this world. I am not of this world.

Luke 6:40 A disciple is not above his teacher, but everyone when he is fully trained will be like his teacher.

Simply put, they had been reborn into Christ, not into corruption, and death or its thinking given us by Adam. Yes, they were new, a new creation for a purpose, not to live life as the rest of the world, but to be trained, by God's Spirit to conquer the corruption of our fallen flesh upon this world. To suffer and groan as the very creation of all mankind has done since sin enter into our world bring vanity and death with it.

1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out the old yeast, that you may be a new lump, even as you are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, has been sacrificed in our place.

James 4:7 Be subject therefore to God. But resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 4:8 Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 4:9 Lament, mourn, and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to gloom. 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he will exalt you.

This working of God was not in the sight of mankind, the world, it was completely unknown to the this world. In fact, the suffering of God's children didn't matter at all to the world, because it offers nothing to this world for its reform. The Spirit kills the flesh and its desires so what fun is that?

Romans 8:8 Those who are in the flesh can't please God.

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.

Nevertheless, the world will continual to groan for freedom worshiping every new thing that they can invent or create to find freedom, but it is vanity, why? Because there is one chosen channel that God will uses to set creation free with, and that channel was not known to the world of his time, and certainly not to ours, which is Christ Jesus.

1 John 5:19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one.

1 John 4:5 They are of the world. Therefore they speak of the world, and the world hears them.

1 John 3:13 Don't be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you.

1 John 4:9 By this God's love was revealed in us, that God has sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made through him, and the world didn't recognize him.

The sinless channel not created with human hands, an important point these brothers and sisters were missing, they were created by sinless hands, why would they imagine God would uses mankind to build all things in his new heaven and new earth? They had become fleshly in their thinking, they were not under the mind they claimed to be under Christ Jesus as their head, they had two heads, like Eve in the Garden her, husband, and Satan's, but she knew as these brothers and sisters knew one cannot have two heads, one must live and the other die, but both is unfaithful to both!

Rom.7:2 For the woman that has a husband is bound by law to the husband while he lives, but if the husband dies, she is discharged from the law of the husband. 7:3 So then if, while the husband lives, she is joined to another man, she would be called an adulteress. But if the husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is no adulteress, though she is joined to another man.
7:4 Therefore, my brothers, you also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you would be joined to another, to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit to God.

James 4:4 You adulterers and adulteresses, don't you know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever therefore wants to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God.
4:5 Or do you think that the Scripture says in vain, "The Spirit who lives in us yearns jealously"? 4:6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."{Proverbs 3:34}

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God.

1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him?"{Isaiah 40:13} But we have Christ's mind.

Hope That is Seen is Not Hope?

****Rom.8:24 For we were saved in hope, but hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for that which he sees? 8:25 But if we hope for that which we don't see, we wait for it with patience.

Jesus stated those born again were like the wind, it blows where its want we can hear its sound, but we don't know where it comes from, or where it is going.

John.3:8 The wind{The same Greek word (pneuma) means wind, breath, and spirit.} blows where it wants to, and you hear its sound, but don't know where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

The entire book of Roman is about the operation of the Spirit in us, God's anointed, it is about the destiny of creation itself, it is about hope of a creation subjected to futility by God being set free by a new creation through God's Spirit. Yes, the Spirit is a mystery in the workings of God new creation, it is unseen, unknown to mankind, so those predestined must themselves be subjected to the same futility in their flesh the groaning of the new creation for freedom, freedom of what?

Romans 8:23 Not only so, but ourselves also, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for adoption, the redemption of our body.

2 Corinthians 5:2 For most certainly in this we groan, longing to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven;

The Spirit which is not under the laws of this world. Yes, that is the point, why are brothers and sister forgetting the hope of freedom it is to walk in the flesh by sight? What sight? The sight of all false religion and what is that? Flesh, that which feeds the mind and makes the flesh satisfied, sight worship, institutions, books, building, men of power, laws that can be legislated to punish the flesh getting immediate results, on earth to right the wrongs. Laws to build strong institution so hope can be realized on earth so a person does not have to groan like the creation.

2 Corinthians 5:4 For indeed we who are in this tent do groan, being burdened; not that we desire to be unclothed, but that we desire to be clothed, that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.

2Cor.8:9 For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that you through his poverty might become rich.

All creation was subject to this futility and none of wisdom of this world has worked to set mankind free from the corruption of the very thing causing corruption to our minds and hearts. It like going to the doctor for a cure and the doctor gives a person medicine causing the same sickness ending in death it is futility. The hope is not in this world for God's anointed, if they lose the hope they lose patience and find futility with no hope of freedom.

Luke 4:23 He said to them, "Doubtless you will tell me this parable, 'Physician, heal yourself! Whatever we have heard done at Capernaum, do also here in your hometown.'"

2 Corinthians 1:9 Yes, we ourselves have had the sentence of death within ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God who raises the dead.

2 Corinthians 2:16 to the one a stench from death to death; to the other a sweet aroma from life to life. Who is sufficient for these things?

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since death came by man, the resurrection of the dead also came by man.

1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death.

The hope in them is the Spirit, which is at war with flesh, it is a battle that they are predestined to for a purposes, not to fix this world into a better world of slavery to sin and death, but to allow God to free them and its by his working in them. This is not their working individually, it is God's working, in them, for his purposes of setting creation free by his mind, the mind he entrusted to Christ Jesus. The work of God's anointed is waiting upon the completion of God's finishing his temple by his working in the new creation; God's temple, not made by fleshly hands, not seen by creation by sight worship.

Revelation 3:12 He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will go out from there no more. I will write on him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from my God, and my own new name.

1 Corinthians 3:16 Don't you know that you are a temple of God, and that God's Spirit lives in you?

A marvel of endurance by the holy ones, a life long test to live by the law of freedom, love, in a world set upon everything diametrically opposed to the law of freedom. The hope is unseen, it is the Spirit indwelling each of God's anointed that is their truth, which is their hope and comfort in these groaning. To taste that freedom in death, in life, in fights from within and without, we rest in the power of God's Spirit when given, like the wind, we don't know when, or why? But we do know the love, and comfort it brings us in hope of a time when complete freedom will be known from the corruption and fears of this flesh, enslaving all creation by its very thinking!

James 1:25 But he who looks into the perfect law of freedom, and continues, not being a hearer who forgets, but a doer of the work, this man will be blessed in what he does.

James 2:12 So speak, and so do, as men who are to be judged by a law of freedom.

Matt.5:44 But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you, 5:45 that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust. 5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Don't even the tax collectors do the same?

5:47 If you only greet your friends, what more do you do than others? Don't even the tax collectors do the same? 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Colossians 1:11 strengthened with all power, according to the might of his glory, for all endurance and perseverance with joy;

Colossians 1:13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the Kingdom of the Son of his love;

The Spirit Helps Our Weaknesses:

****Rom.8:26 In the same way, the Spirit also helps our weaknesses, for we don't know how to pray as we ought. But the Spirit himself makes intercession for us with groanings which can't be uttered. 8:27 He who searches the hearts knows what is on the Spirit's mind, because he makes intercession for the saints according to God.

When one subject righteousness it groans under the weight of the flesh and its lust. Here God allows his new creation, sinless, and accounted righteous by the life of his Son indwelling them to groan for the freedom of life eternal.

Psalms 38:8 I am faint and severely bruised. I have groaned by reason of the anguish of my heart.

John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews weeping who came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled.

The very creation groans unwittingly for the same freedom only God can provide. This operation is the temple the working of the high priest dealing with living sacrifice on earth under subjection to futility by their own flesh. Why would they not know at times the groaning and trials they are going through?

Rom.9:19 You will say then to me, "Why does he still find fault? For who withstands his will?" 9:20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed ask him who formed it, "Why did you make me like this?"{Isaiah 29:16; 45:9} 9:21 Or hasn't the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel for honor, and another for dishonor? 9:22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath made for destruction,
9:23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory on vessels of mercy, which he prepared beforehand for glory.

They are living vessels purchased for God's good pleasure. Moreover, they are predestine to be the temple of God, Christ Jesus, (as one the head and the body members stem from one) for training in setting creation free. But presently what that position is has not been revealed to anyone accept whom the Father wishes to unveil his plan.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now we are children of God, and it is not yet revealed what we will be. But we know that, when he is revealed, we will be like him; for we will see him just as he is.

What at times seem like strange and even bizarre trials our Father allows in this tent, as a vessel, various things can occur or happen in God's anointed that only the Spirit of God knows, and can overcome, but still the child of God needs comfort that only the Spirit of God can reassure them to stay the course.

1 Corinthians 3:22 whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come. All are yours.

2 Corinthians 1:9 Yes, we ourselves have had the sentence of death within ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God who raises the dead.

2 Corinthians 4:10 always carrying in the body the putting to death of the Lord Jesus, that the life of Jesus may also be revealed in our body.

This course may be so unlike our fleshly mind could have concluded that our very flesh, thoughts, and feeling reject them as Peter did when ask to eat unclean things forbidden by the laws of God. But there is a powerful lesson awaiting us, we are the vessel, not the master, we cannot answer back to our maker.

Acts 11:8 But I said, 'Not so, Lord, for nothing unholy or unclean has ever entered into my mouth.' 11:9 But a voice answered me the second time out of heaven, 'What God has cleansed, don't you call unclean.'

1John 3:5 You know that he was revealed to take away our sins, and in him is no sin. 3:6 Whoever remains in him doesn't sin. Whoever sins hasn't seen him, neither knows him.

We must wait upon the Spirit, giving us hope, faith, and love. We may at times be drained of all three thinking how worthless and weak we are that nothing good dwells in us. But that is not how God sees us, we are a precious living stone being cut not by human hands, but God's perfect Word (Christ) that endures forever. When the storm (flesh) obeys the Word of God, peace will come it will control our heart and mind, and we will know the truth, what truth?

John 8:32 You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."{Psalm 119:45}

The very truth the creation is yet to learn, and what is that? That all things happen by the power of God, nothing exist without God's power sustaining life, the source of all life is good, he is love, he is beautiful in all his ways. Let us remember we taste both life and death in our vessel, we are surrounded with the woes of mankind, from within and from without. The death from corruption is the fertilizer life grows in, and that life is perfect, and perfectly directed in each child of God, although, they many not see it at present it testifies as our truth, what truth? God loves us, not in word only, but in every action of his Spirit.

1 John 5:6 This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

1 John 3:20 because if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.

Revelation 12:11 They overcame him because of the Lamb's blood, and because of the word of their testimony. They didn't love their life, even to death.

All Things Work Together For Those Who Love God:

****Rom.8:28 We know that all things work together for good for those who love God, to those who are called according to his purpose. 8:29 For whom he foreknew, he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.{The word for "brothers" here and where context allows may also be correctly translated "brothers and sisters" or "siblings."}

What is chance? Chance is something we take hoping for a good out come. We calculate the risk, and if we think the odds are in our favor we take a chance hoping we will win!

Ecclesiastes 9:11 I returned, and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favor to men of skill; but time and chance happen to them all.

But here the apostle Paul is not talking about taking a chance rather he speak of two points. 1.) that we can be assured all things work together for those who love God, and 2.) which is those called for God's purpose they are predestine.

1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing which you received from him remains in you, and you don't need for anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, you will remain in him.

The question is, why were some of these brothers and sisters not understanding that their lives were not by chance or a crap shoot? Actually, the answer to that question is found for us in the context of chapter eight of Romans. The flesh was the problem, the flesh is a crap shoot it cannot come under God's law, and in fact it cannot know God which makes this a paramount problem for those not understanding what walking in their flesh means?

Romans 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile towards God; for it is not subject to God's law, neither indeed can it be.

1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him?"{Isaiah 40:13} But we have Christ's mind.

Truth and stability for God's children does not come from being fleshly in our thinking. It is the Spirit that is everlasting, and endures for ever. You see they were created new by God's everlasting by His Spirit, their assurance was not at all found in the power of their flesh, but in God's Word which endures for every. (Christ Jesus the Word.)

Isa.40:5 The glory of Yahweh shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together; for the mouth of Yahweh has spoken it." 40:6 The voice of one saying, "Cry!" One said, "What shall I cry?" "All flesh is like grass, and all its glory is like the flower of the field.
40:7 The grass withers, the flower fades, because Yahweh's breath blows on it. Surely the people are like grass. 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God stands forever."

Isa.40:17 All the nations are like nothing before him. They are regarded by him as less than nothing, and vanity. 40:18 To whom then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare to him?

1 Peter 1:25 but the Lord's word endures forever."{Isaiah 40:6-8} This is the word of Good News which was preached to you.

In other words, a child of God cannot have both, (Flesh and Spirit) that is, some of each, and know or even trust God, why? Simply put, the flesh cannot be trusted, it really can't, it changes from light into darkness minute to minute depending upon its mood swings. Like a tree with many shadows under its branches. The flesh is momentary having no power in itself like a flower that blooms in beauty and fades under the power of the hot Sun within days.

James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God," for God can't be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one. 1:14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed. 1:15 Then the lust, when it has conceived, bears sin; and the sin, when it is full grown, brings forth death. 1:16 Don't be deceived, my beloved brothers. 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow. 1:18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures. 1:19 So, then, my beloved brothers, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger;

These brothers and sisters were not flesh, light and darkness, they were not an after thought, or in context (Roman Eight) under the judgment of the flesh any longer, a judgment they should have known was completed in Christ himself who is everlasting to everlasting incorruptible, and immoral, a powerful spirit being at God's right hand their calling was never based upon flesh a whim of good luck, but upon a foundation given them freely by nothing they had practice good or bad.

Rom.9:8 That is, it is not the children of the flesh who are children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as a seed. 9:9 For this is a word of promise, "At the appointed time I will come, and Sarah will have a son."{Genesis 18:10,14} 9:10 Not only so, but Rebecca also conceived by one, by our father Isaac. 9:11 For being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him who calls, 9:12 it was said to her, "The elder will serve the younger."{Genesis 25:23} 9:13 Even as it is written, "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."{Malachi 1:2-3} 9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? May it never be!

So what was the real problem in context? It was the power of sin judged by the law. Yes! The flesh being made alive when the law of God is executed, it becomes active, causing its lust to known, excited! These brothers and sister were walking according to sight, that is, their flesh in using the power of the law to judge flesh.

Rom.7:12 Therefore the law indeed is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good. 7:13 Did then that which is good become death to me? May it never be! But sin, that it might be shown to be sin, by working death to me through that which is good; that through the commandment sin might become exceeding sinful. 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin. 7:15 For I don't know what I am doing. For I don't practice what I desire to do; but what I hate, that I do. 7:16 But if what I don't desire, that I do, I consent to the law that it is good. 7:17 So now it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwells in me. 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don't find it doing that which is good.

Flesh has no love for Spirit, or can it be in subjection to Spirit. Subsequently, it certain does not trust in the unseen, but in itself for getting things done, but how can a person save themselves by the law which condemns all flesh worthy of death because of sin? In other words, unwittingly these brothers and sister dug themselves a hole thinking they were doing righteousness by judging the flesh of each other by God's righteous law.

John 6:63 It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.

John 8:15 You judge according to the flesh. I judge no one.

The flesh, their flesh, specific was accounted dead in Christ, why? Simply put, because the law proved it could not be righteous, or save itself. Now faced with no other option but faith in Christ life their provision for salvation by his righteousness, and none other, required them to be thinking differently about things. These brothers and sister must not live a lie. One cannot judge their flesh, and not come up far short of the glory of God.

Matt.7:3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye? 7:4 Or how will you tell your brother, 'Let me remove the speck from your eye;' and behold, the beam is in your own eye?

This is the first step in our accepting God means of salvation, not education, or knowledge by some group or teacher, but truth of our own condition asking God for help. Salvation comes from God down too us, it is a gift given to us whom have no way out of this fleshly body under going death by sin. The gift of salvation, and life, is undeserved completely. It can only come from a God of love, not from human flesh that think it can stand righteous by works of law.

Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were through the law, worked in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.{NU omits "who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit"}

Romans 8:3 For what the law couldn't do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did, sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh;

Our relationship with God rest upon trusting him even in death of the flesh that if he gave us his Son, Christ Jesus; did not spare him for us unworthy sinners than indeed this is no crap shoot something our flesh or Satan can undue by fleshly judgment and thinking. If we were in death with no way out, and God richly brought out that was not by chance, or happenstance. God is not foolish like men judging flesh and simply discarding life as worthless by judgment of law.

Romans 8:4 that the ordinance of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Romans 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

These brothers and sisters must walking in Spirit and judge matter correctly according to truth (the Spirit), the truth of their own flesh judgment dead in Christ, and not reformable, and their being made alive in the Spirit by another person love, in giving us his life, and God love inputting us his merit. They must learn lowliness of mind so the haughtiness of the flesh did not take them in pride. The flesh has no merit in God's eyes the context of Roman's eight. Judging it once again by the law, gives it merit, makes it alive, by those thinking something good is reformable in our flesh to be saved. That thinking is why most of the Jews did not accept Jesus Christ, and why so many in false religion our mislead today.

Romans 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, yes rather, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

Colossians 2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 2:13 You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses.

Romans 7:4 Therefore, my brothers, you also were made dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you would be joined to another, to him who was raised from the dead, that we might bring forth fruit to God.

Romans 6:4 We were buried therefore with him through baptism to death, that just like Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.

If God is for us, Who Can be Against us?

****Rom.8:31 What then shall we say about these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 8:32 He who didn't spare his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how would he not also with him freely give us all things? 8:33 Who could bring a charge against God's chosen ones? It is God who justifies. 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, yes rather, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

If the new creation was based upon merit, that is, our performance the words of the apostle Paul here would be meaningless! The righteous laws of God condemns any sinner, which is all of us. Hence, charges brought under the old law against a sinner would be accurate and just, but none can be brought rightly against God's chosen one, but why?

1 John 3:9 Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God.

Here is the profound wisdom of God that seemingly fly's in the face of the wise of this world, the leaders, the courts, the governments and even religion, and what is that? It is, God removed his judgment off of deserved breakers of his righteous law. How can acquitting a person of deserved justice upon hold justice, and righteousness? Nothing within the human reason can say such a thing works for any institution small or great?

Romans 6:14 For sin will not have dominion over you. For you are not under law, but under grace.
1Cor.1:18 For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are dying, but to us who are saved it is the power of God.
1:19 For it is written, "I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, I will bring the discernment of the discerning to nothing."{Isaiah 29:14}

However, Gods' own wisdom saw that the cycle of judgment and death set in order at Adam and Eves sinning must be stop by life, not judgment of death producing yet more death. How to remove mankind deserved judgment for sinning was the real question? By love! God knew what we don't being our creator, and what is that?
There are those desiring not to sin, or rebel against God, but whom cannot stop sinning, and that sin causes a wall of alienation between God and them. Thus, the removing of judgment must come from God and not mankind in sin and death, death can only produce more death, life with God must come from life. But how does one bring life into death, without judgment?

1Cor.1:24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God.
1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men

John 1:4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men.

John 3:15 that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

John 5:26 For as the Father has life in himself, even so he gave to the Son also to have life in himself.

The world and all that is in it, the system of things is set in motion by judgment through laws, which support, build, and protect all that is against God ways of life; could such a pattern be broken? Certainly not by man conceived in sin, the fleshly mind cannot stop judging evil in others. God sent his own son, out of love for us, to purchase us from our old dying life, by giving us a new life, the life of his son Christ Jesus.

John 6:35 Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will not be hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.

John 8:12 Again, therefore, Jesus spoke to them, saying, "I am the light of the world.{Isaiah 60:1} He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life."

John 10:28 I give eternal life to them. They will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.

Christ defeated death, he stripped the power of this world all authority through governments, but what power? The power to control him, and/or God's chosen ones through sin, and its guilt, judged by laws that built this world. Christ was life, righteous perfect life, no law of sin was against Christ. Men could make false accusations, but what authority is above God's approval of his son? Certainly not mundane laws pointing to sin and death!

Eph.1:20 which he worked in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and made him to sit at his right hand in the heavenly places,
1:21 far above all rule, and authority, and power, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in that which is to come. 1:22 He put all things in subjection under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things for the assembly,
1:23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

Col.2:13 You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses,
2:14 wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us; and he has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross;
2:15 having stripped the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in eating, or in drinking, or with respect to a feast day or a new moon or a Sabbath day,

Now God imputes the same to his chosen ones, yet, another defeat for Satan, and his power, but let us take caution here because this is the point of Paul's writings, and what is that? Those wanting power through guilt of judgment like the world in religion need that power to control others. To maintain that power they steal Christ name, and enslave people to the laws created for sin, bring them back into death through control of righteous judgment from God's laws.

John 8:15 You judge according to the flesh. I judge no one.

Romans 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

Romans 8:6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace;

We are not deserving, we must stop thinking about self and set our minds on Christ worth in faith, and that is the hard part for us still in the sinful flesh. We do not belong to ourselves, but to Christ, and his life this is why Christ lives through us as a member of his body, him being the head.

1Cor.4:4 For I know nothing against myself. Yet I am not justified by this, but he who judges me is the Lord. 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each man will get his praise from God.

We cannot be in our flesh, without the guilt of judgment because our flesh is deserved of death by God's righteous laws. By faith against all odds of the thinking of our flesh we must walk in life, our life Christ Jesus. We were made dead in our old life, that is, dead to sin, made new in life, Christ Jesus. Hence, freed from the judgment of our flesh, although, deserved, and still condemning us, the power to save us is in God, not our flesh, or its judgments.

Ephesians 1:19 and what is the exceeding greatness of his power toward us who believe, according to that working of the strength of his might

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in clay vessels, that the exceeding greatness of the power may be of God, and not from ourselves.

The accuser of Christ will not stop accusing, he can't, he won't, nor will anything he has built in his system of things under his control, but our Father Jehovah is not accusing us, he has spared not one thing in saving us completely. He has given us life, now! Not at some future time as false religion practices having one work until death in gaining enough merit. Christ defeated death at his resurrection, he gives God's chosen ones that life now indwelling them. Please note, God gives it freely without earning it. This is the manifold wisdom of God, which cannot be defeated by judgments of death, the judgment too life is undeserved, and kind, gentle, full of mercy and good fruits, for those loving God. Have no fear little flock our eternal life is not based upon man's judgment but upon God's worth, his love!

Ephesians 3:16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, that you may be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man;

Ephesians 3:20 Now to him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us.

1Cor.13:4 Love is patient and is kind; love doesn't envy. Love doesn't brag, is not proud, 13:5 doesn't behave itself inappropriately, doesn't seek its own way, is not provoked, takes no account of evil;
13:6 doesn't rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
13:8 Love never fails.

Who Will Seperate us From the Love of Christ?

****Rom.8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Could oppression, or anguish, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?

Human nature often is not so good, we will take care of our own while easily not taking care of others. A man or woman will work hard watching every penny in not being foolish with their own money, and yet spend someone else money wildly. But the question here for those in Christ, how does Christ, and YHWH feel about their belonging the price paid for each child of God?

Luke 12:7 But the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Therefore don't be afraid. You are of more value than many sparrows.

Why should such a question need to be ask? Simply put, because those into works of law, that is, gaining merit for self-salvation, often discard a child of God easily willingly stating God has rejected them because they did not agree with their view of scriptures! Has God so foolishly gave birth to a trial experiment like the world practices? Where he just anoints everyone, predestine everyone in a blanket approach, so some will make it based upon their good merit as they crawl their way into the kingdom, and the weak won't? Thinking that's OK because their enough other bodies to go around for the job?

Rom.9:16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who has mercy.

Luke 17:2 It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck, and he were thrown into the sea, rather than that he should cause one of these little ones to stumble.

Here in the book of Roman's Chapter Eight the apostle Paul speak of just the opposite the profound assurance that God is love that love will not fail because God did not withhold his own son's life to gain us. He does not speak like the world, but the truth of the power of God in the incorruptible life God has given us freely to indwell us, Christ Jesus.

Romans 15:13 Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope, in the power of the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 2:5 that your faith wouldn't stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Merit was not considered, the entire book of Roman's profoundly proves that point, stating we were chosen before the founding of this world, before we had done good or bad, why? So ones could not file such accusation before God's about his children by human reasoning!

1 Corinthians 4:20 For the Kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in clay vessels, that the exceeding greatness of the power may be of God, and not from ourselves.

2 Corinthians 13:4 For he was crucified through weakness, yet he lives through the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we will live with him through the power of God toward you.

Strange that false religion should have so little faith in God, but we should not be surprised because false religion is about flesh and the judgments of the flesh. It see humans as objects used for the greater good, and than imputes such unrighteous motives into God. False religion has an evil eye returning evil for evil. However, God is a perfect Father, of his children; is that a little thing? Does God give evil gifts to his children? Does he haphazardly pick a bunch of people hoping some will come to the top of the pack to become his children, where does such teaching come from if its not from the unrighteous cruel mother of false religion?

1 Peter 2:4 coming to him, a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God, precious.

1 Peter 2:6 Because it is contained in Scripture, "Behold, I lay in Zion a chief cornerstone, chosen, and precious: He who believes in him will not be disappointed."{Isaiah 28:16}

Haggai 2:7 and I will shake all nations. The precious things of all nations will come, and I will fill this house with glory, says Yahweh of Armies.

We can trust God, we cannot trust false religion, and those whom would teach God's children are a crap shoot that God is quick to discard humans. God has spared no efforts in bring his children into life, as a new creation. They are his, his belongings, and his business, we should have enough discretion not to intermingle into what we cannot know or judge a Father love for his progeny.

Romans 14:4 Who are you who judge another's servant? To his own lord he stands or falls. Yes, he will be made to stand, for God has power to make him stand.

James 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow.

Hebrews 12:7 It is for discipline that you endure. God deals with you as with children, for what son is there whom his father doesn't discipline?

2 Thessalonians 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,

The world is quick to judge all things, because they have no fear of God, they think the scriptures empower them to set in God's temple as the Christ and cut off body members with impunity. So hack off a finger let us find out the truth, pluck out an eye see if we delight in discarding our own members so quickly, sober up to righteousness, and judge nothing before its time, so we are not found naked under the same measure we have measure out!

1 Peter 1:17 If you call on him as Father, who without respect of persons judges according to each man's work, pass the time of your living as foreigners here in reverent fear:

1 John 1:3 that which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us. Yes, and our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son, Jesus Christ.

Revelation 12:11 They overcame him because of the Lamb's blood, and because of the word of their testimony. They didn't love their life, even to death.

1 John 4:19 We love Him, because he first loved us.

1 John 4:20 If a man says, "I love God," and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who doesn't love his brother whom he has seen, how can he love God whom he has not seen?

Who Will Separated us From the Love of God?

****Rom.8:37 No, in all these things, we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 8:39 nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, will be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Here the apostle Paul concludes his thoughts in Roman's Chapter Eight in a glowing spiritual crescendo bring his thoughts to highest point of God's heavenly mountain, love!

1 John 4:16 We know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and he who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him.

Love is the antithesis of the flesh, flesh rejects God's love that his love will perfect us into eternal life. Flesh worship in fear of guilt, distrusting itself and other, and above all God's love. Flesh cannot get past judgment of the flesh, it cannot imagine not being rejected for failing to perform perfectly in the flesh on earth. The flesh builds a bank account for itself by works in every aspect of its life to protect itself from God's wrath, not even comprehending what Paul was saying here?

1 John 4:8 He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.

God's love cannot fail, God's love is not a crap shoot, it not based upon our goodness, or our works. God's love is from the person of God, a principal love that removes our judgment, not sometimes we get when we have a good day, but every minute of every day when we have our worst days, why? Because God Jehovah is our creator, he does not live a lie like we human do in thinking we can be good enough by our own merit, or even our own love to gain eternal life.

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God, and knows God.

Titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy, he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit.

God truth is based upon eternal life, an incorruptible truth that cannot lie or give us false hope, like we humans do too each other. Paul is stating here under Holy Spirit that God is love, and those created in love by their Father YHWH cannot be separated by any thing on this earth or in heaven, nothing! God will not let go of his own son's created by love, not law, not performance, not position, not religion, not power, not wealth, nor human weakness. Not Satan, not judgments made by men against God chosen ones.

Ephesians 3:20 Now to him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us.

Christ striped all authority when he ascended into heaven, all power and authority by earthly agents, and evil spirits judgments, were taken away for God's children; now full legal jurisdiction of God children were undere control of one person that birth them from love, Jehovah God, through Jesus Christ in his merit!

Eph.1:20 which he worked in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and made him to sit at his right hand in the heavenly places,
1:21 far above all rule, and authority, and power, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age, but also in that which is to come. 1:22 He put all things in subjection under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things for the assembly,
1:23 which is his body, the fullness of him who fills all in all.

No human being could birth the new creation, no religion, no devil, not science, nothing in heaven or upon earth had any merit in birthing of God's new creation, but God the Almighty alone from what? His inseparable love for them. This defeated Satan, and all his claims about God withholding good from his children. This one act humiliated Satan and all his thoughts of being worthy in demanding merit, recognition from God as ruler of our earth was put into the dust of a viper mouth. God took the lowly things, not the wise of Satan world and gave them perfection in love by his own son merit, and adding insult to injure – freely!

1Cor.1:22 For Jews ask for signs, Greeks seek after wisdom,
1:23 but we preach Christ crucified; a stumbling block to Jews, and foolishness to Greeks, 1:24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. 1:25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 1:26 For you see your calling, brothers, that not many are wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, and not many noble; 1:27 but God chose the foolish things of the world that he might put to shame those who are wise. God chose the weak things of the world, that he might put to shame the things that are strong; 1:28 and God chose the lowly things of the world, and the things that are despised, and the things that are not, that he might bring to nothing the things that are: 1:29 that no flesh should boast before God. 1:30 But of him, you are in Christ Jesus, who was made to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption: 1:31 that, according as it is written, "He who boasts, let him boast in the Lord."{Jeremiah 9:24}

Human can wring their hands, they can come up with every precautionary legal argument to keep trust for God and his children under their control, but not one person or thing can control God's love, or take away the gift of eternal life freely given them by proof of the Christ indwelling them, not even themselves, when they feel unworthy and condemned, no! God's word is what made them new, planted them as wheat, created them into the personality of Christ, God's word cannot fail; for God is love, love cannot fail.

Isaiah 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God stands forever."

Isaiah 41:28 When I look, there is no man; even among them there is no counselor who, when I ask of them, can answer a word.

Psalms 138:2 I will bow down toward your holy temple, and give thanks to your Name for your loving kindness and for your truth; for you have exalted your Name and your Word above all.

Let Satan terrify by legal wranglings, let Satan blow with accusation from false religion, false brothers, world leaders, the job was completed long ago when Christ finished the work of God in ascending to heaven stripping all authority from earthly institutions placing all power in Christ hands. This is the summation of the whole in the book of Roman, the contrast between Spirit and flesh, why love of humans fails on earth, why all things created by Satan and man will be shaken until every work it is exposed as death, and corruption having no hope in eternal life.

Col.2:9 For in him all the fullness of the Godhead dwells bodily,
2:10 and in him you are made full, who is the head of all principality and power; 2:11 in whom you were also circumcised with a circumcision not made with hands, in the putting off of the body of the sins of the flesh, in the circumcision of Christ;
2:12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead. 2:13 You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 2:14 wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us; and he has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross; 2:15 having stripped the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let us not live in the past, let us not live in the future, let us live in Christ rejoicing in our hope. We need not go into the wilderness for new prophecy, we need not worry if God's love will fail us, or if we will be provided all the spiritual food we need, or association. We need not be in a quaternary over if we are doing enough good works, or searching for the right group. We need to live in God's love trusting he will not change and fool us like false religion. That my friend requires the one thing that Christ is looking for in us, faith!

1Cor.13:4 Love is patient and is kind; love doesn't envy. Love doesn't brag, is not proud, 13:5 doesn't behave itself inappropriately, doesn't seek its own way, is not provoked, takes no account of evil;
13:6 doesn't rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 13:8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will be done away with. Where there are various languages, they will cease. Where there is knowledge, it will be done away with. 1:6 But let him ask in faith, without any doubting, for he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, driven by the wind and tossed.

James 1:7 For let that man not think that he will receive anything from the Lord. 1:8 He is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways. 1:9 But let the brother in humble circumstances glory in his high position; 1:10 and the rich, in that he is made humble, because like the flower in the grass, he will pass away.
1:11 For the sun arises with the scorching wind, and withers the grass, and the flower in it falls, and the beauty of its appearance perishes. So also will the rich man fade away in his pursuits.
1:12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation, for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to those who love him. 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God," for God can't be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one. 1:14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed.
1:15 Then the lust, when it has conceived, bears sin; and the sin, when it is full grown, brings forth death. 1:16 Don't be deceived, my beloved brothers. 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow. 1:18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures. 1:19 So, then, my beloved brothers, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, and slow to anger; 1:20 for the anger of man doesn't produce the righteousness of God.