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The Wages Sin Pays

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

So many of us read and sight this verse about what sin pays, death, and give little thought to how deep this the truth is from such a plain simple statement the apostle Paul stated under inspiration of Holy Spirit.

We all know that sin enter into our world through Adam and all of us have since been dying from the affects of sin. But we also imagine The great God of justice YHWH slamming down the gavel of judgment upon Adam and Eve causing death to enter into both of them from his judgment, is that how you see it?

Romans 5:12 Therefore, as sin entered into the world through one man, and death through sin; and so death passed to all men, because all sinned.

James1:16 Don't be deceived, my beloved brothers.
1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow.

The Source of Life

There is much confusion and false teaching about this subject propagated by human fears and human judgment, for it is the ultimate power of courts, military, and governments hold over people – death!

Rom.13:1 Let every soul be in subjection to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those who exist are ordained by God.
13:2 Therefore he who resists the authority, withstands the ordinance of God; and those who withstand will receive to themselves judgment.
13:3 For rulers are not a terror to the good work, but to the evil. Do you desire to have no fear of the authority? Do that which is good, and you will have praise from the same,
13:4 for he is a servant of God to you for good. But if you do that which is evil, be afraid, for he doesn't bear the sword in vain; for he is a servant of God, an avenger for wrath to him who does evil.

But is this what God's justice and judgment was of Adam and Eve, or was it a statement of undeniable truth if ignored would bring the workings of death into both of them, that is, Adam and Eve?

Genesis 3:17 To Adam he said, "Because you have listened to your wife's voice, and have eaten of the tree, of which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat of it,' cursed is the ground for your sake. In toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.

If there is one source of life found on an island, that is, fresh water surrounded by a sea of salt water, if that source is polluted, life dies, the habitation of island peoples and animals will perish. To state that one cannot drink salt water and yet live is a truth that ends in a judgment or the consequence of ignoring such a truth.

It is not a hardship, or a judgment meant to cause anyone any harm or damage. In fact, it would be a lack of love and justice not to inform those living on the island of the importance of protecting their life source from pollution, would it not?

Psalms 36:9 For with you is the spring of life. In your light shall we see light.

The problem for so many is that the God of love informed Adam and Eve of the consequence of not guarding the source of their lives, God himself, to watch and take care of their relationship with God, there was no burden placed on the first human couple but a statement of truth that could not be change because they wanted to experiment with the truth.

Psalms 63:3 Because your loving kindness is better than life, my lips shall praise you.

Revelation 22:1 He showed me a{TR adds "pure"} river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb,

God Not A Creation

God is not a created thing, he is the creator of all things, he is the source of life. In other words, from the source of life, which was not created, thus, not subject to change because it wasn't a created thing, but always, everlasting from before time, God does not rejust himself as many teach, as learning process finding something new as human experiment with life do, by altering physical laws of our earth and universe.

Isa. 40:11 He will feed his flock like a shepherd. He will gather the lambs in his arm, and carry them in his bosom. He will gently lead those who have their young.
40:12 Who has measured the waters in the hollow of his hand, and marked off the sky with his span, and calculated the dust of the earth in a measure, and weighed the mountains in scales, and the hills in a balance?
40:13 Who has directed the Spirit of Yahweh, or has taught him as his counselor?

When God creates something to live forever, that forever is perfect not lacking because it is dependent upon Him, and God is not experiment or every changing, he is the one point of never changing truth and life for all moral creatures, in heaven and upon earth.

James 3:11 Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water?

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

Subsequently, the source of life can't be alter or changed because a creation thinks its in the best interest of others, for the source of life is not an experiment ever changing to test if there might be a better way not yet thought of.

1 John 1:5 This is the message which we have heard from him and announce to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Thus, everything outside of the fresh water on the island in the sea is death for the human living on the island. That does not mean people can't save rain water, or evaporate sea water and still maintain a life on the Island, but nonetheless, it will be a life lacking, and harder, and fearful to deal with struggling to survive.
In fact, it will cause many problems for all the life on the island including the animals.

Psalms 23:1 <<A Psalm by David.>> Yahweh is my shepherd: I shall lack nothing.

Psalms 34:9 Oh fear Yahweh, you his saints, for there is no lack with those who fear him.

Psalms 34:10 The young lions do lack, and suffer hunger, but those who seek Yahweh shall not lack any good thing.

By telling the truth, is not hoping it would happen, or some wicked thought of evil by the Warner as though they wanted those evil condition for those living on the island to experience problems, not at all! It is a statement of truth, the laws that govern life on the island, which is bigger than a person ambitions and importance.

Hebrews 6:18 that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have a strong encouragement, who have fled for refuge to take hold of the hope set before us.

What Evil in God's Mind?

What does the God of love and life gain by killing someone? Now stop and think about that thought, honestly? If a person is loving and kind, what can they possibly add to their life by killing another human being, nothing! If a person is loving and kind they don't have evil lurking in their mind in hopes of taking or hurting another person because nothing is added to goodness, fairness, or happiness by killing someone.

Matt.5:44 But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you,
5:45 that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Don't even the tax collectors do the same?
5:47 If you only greet your friends, what more do you do than others? Don't even the tax collectors do the same?
5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

If the person telling the people on the island warned them about not protecting their life source, would that person be holding something good back from those islanders? Would he/she be hoping they would take the bait and pollute the water source so he/she could be right and prove a point? Would the person be selfish because they didn't come up with a better solution so the people could pollute the water source?

1Cor.13:4 Love is patient and is kind; love doesn't envy. Love doesn't brag, is not proud,
13:5 doesn't behave itself inappropriately, doesn't seek its own way, is not provoked, takes no account of evil;
13:6 doesn't rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth;

This is the nonsense of those that think evil is lurking in God's mind that he is holding back from just dealing with the problem by fixing it instead of letting people die in their sins because they were born into corruption.

Jame.2:12 So speak, and so do, as men who are to be judged by a law of freedom.

Life Not An Experiment

God is life, he is the source of life, he is not an experiment, or a ever changing shadow of light under a tree that he is in need of always experimenting to see if he got it right? God is not improving, learning as he goes. God is the creator of all laws physical and spiritual.

John 3:36 One who believes in the Son has eternal life, but one who disobeys{The same word can be translated "disobeys" or "disbelieves" in this context.} the Son won't see life, but the wrath of God remains on him."

The source of life God, not in him as something added or separate, he is life, perfect, without darkness, or improvement, when given to man or angles it sustain them in eternal life they lacking noting or do they need something that improves the life of God indwelling them which gives them the source of waters of life, God.

John 6:47 Most certainly, I tell you, he who believes in me has eternal life.

Thus, the life of Adam and Eve, God, whom indwelt Adam, and Eve who shared the life, because she was one with Adam as one flesh, feed from his headship the eternal life of God. Nothing was lacking, or wanting in perfection of God's life. Adam and Eve had life, as a gift of love from God, nothing can be more perfect than that, can it? One would have to have evil motives and intentions to state more was needed or lacking in the source of life God.

1 John 4:16 We know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and he who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him.

There was no experiment, there was nothing higher to obtain to or have than God's love indwelling his children giving them the everlasting life of himself.

Born From Corruption into Corruption

There was no experiment that mankind could obtain to another source of life, for there was only one source of life, or that mankind could have a better life without the source of life, no! There was no experiment in God's creation because he cannot deny himself and allow corruption where he thinking that good and righteousness exist in darkness outside of himself as a source of life.

2 Timothy 2:13 If we are faithless, he remains faithful. He can't deny himself."

Now corruption entered into a beautiful world created for the first human couple there was no experiment, it was a disaster it ruined all life on earth putting it into corruption and darkness away from the source of life. God did not need to touch darkness to see if it might be good, no! God is the source of light the creator of all life, he did not doubt the laws of truth coming from himself because he is incorruptible life, and light, is that evil?

Deuteronomy 32:4 The Rock, his work is perfect, for all his ways are justice: a God of faithfulness and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Well, many teach such evil of God! But how can evil come from the source of life, when he is love, and creates from love for his children? Evil cannot touch God, how can evil touch God, if he is love, isn't that a contractions of love?

2 Samuel 22:31 As for God, his way is perfect. The word of Yahweh is tested. He is a shield to all those who take refuge in him.

Did God want Adam and Eve to die, to stop living? To live in darkness? Did he hope they would find a better source of life from wicked spirit son's whom hated God? What fear does love have? What evil does love dwell upon? What darkness is there in love? If one is born into corruption bring death can they even know the God of love? No they can't, corruption cannot know God or touch God, so how can corruption judge God or his love?

1 John 4:8 He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.

Hebrews 10:22 let's draw near with a true heart in fullness of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and having our body washed with pure water,

Titus 3:2 to speak evil of no one, not to be contentious, to be gentle, showing all humility toward all men.

Romans 12:17 Repay no one evil for evil. Respect what is honorable in the sight of all men

This is the problem is it not, darkness does not dwell in the light, if we are born into darkness how can we impute light into God, we can't, we judge from our own lives, do we get the point?

James.3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, don't boast and don't lie against the truth.
3:15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, sensual, and demonic.
3:16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition are, there is confusion and every evil deed.

The point is the living waters are lost, they are not found in us, we are not a mixture of God's life, mixed into our corruption, we are not both as many teach thinking it gives them a right to judge God and teach he has evil in him. God is not corruption at all, not even a little, we are living in a life corrupted away from the source of life, we are paying the price that sin must pay because it cannot touch the eternal everlasting life of God, so we must perish in this life.

James.3:11 Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water?
3:12 Can a fig tree, my brothers, yield olives, or a vine figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh water.

Corruption produce corruption no matter how many times ones tell you the human race is evolving into something better it cannot, there is no other source of life, no matter how man perfects technology it will not remove corruption found in corruption nor can it make God change or experiment with some person idea of a better God.

Romans 8:8 Those who are in the flesh can't please God.

Finding The Source of Life
So many want God to serve them they think as human do that words of man bind God into an obligation to reverse or change how things should have been done because of intellectual teaching by a religious scholar who has given themselves the right to counsel God, on his justice and fairness, which is from a corrupt mind reading God's word.

Job 42:3 You asked, 'Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?' therefore I have uttered that which I did not understand, things too wonderful for me, which I didn't know.

Psalms 33:10 Yahweh brings the counsel of the nations to nothing. He makes the thoughts of the peoples to be of no effect.

The source of life, that is, truth, is God's mind, as it has always been and will always be. But if one cannot touch that mind accept to find it on paper in a bible or an article like this, one does not have the source of life indwelling them, it is an obscurity based upon conjecture and speculation that fleshly mind practice as truth.

1 Corinthians 2:4 My speech and my preaching were not in persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power,

1 Corinthians 2:5 that your faith wouldn't stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

Hebrews 7:16 who has been made, not after the law of a fleshly commandment, but after the power of an endless life:

Corruption cannot produce incorruption, lets put this another way a person born into sin cannot produce something without sin, which is corruption, do we truly grasp that truth? In other words, we are not making corruption better or less by reading our bibles that is an illusion taught by false religion. One cannot make incorruption a works of law by human effort removing corruption of sin by their zeal or sincerity to love and serve God.

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

God must give us a gift of love just as he did the first human couple we are not earning it, neither did Adam and Eve. We are not going to analysis it, or research it, or find it on earth full of darkness and corruption or by going to some religion and be saved!

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

We must ask God, not tell him the things we've been taught by others - what he is, we must ask what truth of himself he is willing to reveal too us? If we think God is evil that life he gave freely to Adam and Eve is an evil experiment then he will not be found. If we think he is going to argue us out of imputing evil to him like human that spend their whole life justify their every actions and reason to other human all you have found is a corrupt sick god that lies, and/or puts on airs of caring.

Matthew 12:19 He will not strive, nor shout; neither will anyone hear his voice in the streets.

Luke.10:5 Into whatever house you enter, first say, 'Peace be to this house.'
10:6 If a son of peace is there, your peace will rest on him; but if not, it will return to you.

God A Loving Free Giver

God want to give us his mind, he want to communicate his kindness and love to all humans, but he cannot change truth, and love for something we human think or believe passionately in because God does not change. We simply must understand one cannot change incorruptible life, and make its some how better by human thinking it is far out of our ways to even imagine let alone understand how God is incorruptible never changing.

God must help us, not we change teaching to accept God on our terms. We must approach God as love, as truth and act upon what he reveals too us by his Spirit direction.

John 3:34 For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for God gives the Spirit without measure.

John 4:23 But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such to be his worshippers. John 3:34 For he whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for God gives the Spirit without measure.

John 4:23 But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such to be his worshippers.

We cannot know God's mind at all because we are sinners, that is, in corruption, we must have a stand in non-sinner that never sinned to give us his mind that knows God, who is that?

That one and only person is Jesus Christ, he will give us his mind to teach us the truth of what? Now stop the flesh loves the truth of all kinds of things, but not the truth that Christ teaches us, God's love. God love take all power away from the survival and glory of the flesh, it has no power in God's love, and it is the last thing it cares about, the flesh care about the legal, the scientific, prophecy, the analytical bible arguments and research which is the corruption of this world the lies teaching us that human getting smarter and better. That new light gives us a better relationship than the life of Christ indwelling us.

Colossians 1:13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the Kingdom of the Son of his love;

Are Christian's getting better than at Christ time who had far less religious education? Are they better parents, more loving, having higher moral standards, so isn't two thousand's years enough time to perfect the corruption of the flesh, why are we more confused with greater division, with 52-thousand competing Christian's religion in today's world?

2Tim.3:1 But know this, that in the last days, grievous times will come.
3:2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3:3 without natural affection, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good,
3:4 traitors, headstrong, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God;
3:5 holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power thereof. Turn away from these, also.
3:6 For of these are those who creep into houses, and take captive gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts,
3:7 always learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

No it has not, simply because the mind of Christ does change one wit, one shadow from two thousand's years ago into today world. He is not teaching us the thoughts of religion, he is teaching God's children God's love. Once again the last thing Christian's really want to talk about, write or preach about, simply because the sinful corrupted flesh cannot stand in God's love, it kills the power of this world, the flesh, it takes all that keeps the flesh feeding on for more power, it removes it by a free gift that cannot be earned or boast in, or gotten position or glory by!

1 Corinthians 4:7 For who makes you different? And what do you have that you didn't receive? But if you did receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?

Romans 5:16 The gift is not as through one who sinned: for the judgment came by one to condemnation, but the free gift came of many trespasses to justification.

That should be the new mind real Christian's receive as a free gift from God's Spirit, his love. That is the elevated teaching the world don't know or can't know that flows from the Christ into us, by his habitation indwelling us, as he indwells God. That is what Adam had, and lost, there was nothing to improve upon, a better more prosperous life for Adam, or was there in thing lacking in God's life given Adam freely.

1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him?"{Isaiah 40:13} But we have Christ's mind.

That is the treasure in Christ that teach us the love of God which is the fine pearl of eternal life our faith gives us. It is what the world cannot know, what so ever. It is not a selfish act of being right, or finding some new light, it is a free gift given to all if they ask God in Christ for it. It is the same loving God that created Adam and Eve holding nothing back from his love. There was no secret clause God was not telling Adam and Eve they were in life, In him, having life because God is love.

1Cor. 2:9 But as it is written, "Things which an eye didn't see, and an ear didn't hear, which didn't enter into the heart of man, these God has prepared for those who love him."{Isaiah 64:4}
2:10 But to us, God revealed them through the Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God.
2:11 For who among men knows the things of a man, except the spirit of the man, which is in him? Even so, no one knows the things of God, except God's Spirit.
2:12 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that were freely given to us by God.
2:13 Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual things.
2:14 Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
2:15 But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one.
2:16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him?"{Isaiah 40:13} But we have Christ's mind.

They made a choice that love let them make, and they destroyed themselves because of corruption which prevented them from association with incorruption they must drink from to continue in life. God is giving us a chance to choose in this life, to accept Christ as our life, to allow Christ to substitute his sinless so we can know the mind of God in his eternal life, as a free gift.

Ephesians 4:24 and put on the new man, who in the likeness of God has been created in righteousness and holiness of truth.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away. Behold, all things have become new.

But God will not force us like religion so often does. He will appeal to us in his love, in his kindness that we might actually search for him with a clean heart knowing that he is love. When we approach God from love, the bible opens wide to us, we stop imputing human fleshly thoughts to God and being constantly anger and confused about prayer, teachings, and Christian's in general. We begin to see the unfathomable beauty of God's love, the depth how everything fits into perfect unity when love is the touch stone we uses to understanding God's word the bible.

Ephesians 4:13 until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a full grown man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ;

Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life.

1 John 4:9 By this God's love was revealed in us, that God has sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.

1 Peter 4:8 And above all things be earnest in your love among yourselves, for love covers a multitude of sins.

Adam and Eve lacked nothing good from God's love, how can we know God if we approach him with Satan spirit that God is withholding something good from us? How can we unlock the bible when we go to men and think they speak for God? How can we learn of God's truth, which he is love, without trust, at least some trust, some faith that he is good, and loves us?

James.1:7 For let that man not think that he will receive anything from the Lord.
1:8 He is a double-minded man, unstable in all his ways.
1:9 But let the brother in humble circumstances glory in his high position;
1:10 and the rich, in that he is made humble, because like the flower in the grass, he will pass away.
1:11 For the sun arises with the scorching wind, and withers the grass, and the flower in it falls, and the beauty of its appearance perishes. So also will the rich man fade away in his pursuits.
1:12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation, for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to those who love him.
1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God," for God can't be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one.
1:14 But each one is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed.
1:15 Then the lust, when it has conceived, bears sin; and the sin, when it is full grown, brings forth death.
1:16 Don't be deceived, my beloved brothers.
1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow.
1:18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.

Hebrews 11:6 Without faith it is impossible to be well pleasing to him, for he who comes to God must believe that he exists, and that he is a rewarder of those who seek him.