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Jehovah's Witnesses Reformation Movement

There has been a push from the founding of the Jehovah's witnesses organization to reform it by dissenters, covertly, and/or overtly by existing members and ex-members.

Today due to the online media we have an open public push by many to reform the organization of Jehovah's witnesses, but the question is why?

Jeremiah 10:23 Yahweh, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man who walks to direct his steps.

Almost all members that have been removed for opposing the views of Jehovah's witnesses upon a honest hearted search for truth have found in their bibles a realization quickly that reformation is not possible for any religious group, simply because the same elements of worship and human wisdom exist in every group since Christ apostles died off the earth.

Ecclesiastes 1:15 That which is crooked can't be made straight; and that which is lacking can't be counted.

They are all corrupt into many sects and division by seeking to right the wrongs of the former group they have come out of only to becomes the same corruption later.

In other words, what members believed to by Babylon Great that they were separating themselves from ended up having the same problems creating yet one more Babylonish religion. Such spreading of weed seeds falls under the purview of what we warned of some two thousand's a years ago.

Galatians 6:8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

We find today the same traits common in all Christian's religions since the great apostasy came after the apostles deaths in all its branches produced by its root stock, some sixty thousand's Christian's religion on earth today?

Proverbs 16:2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but Yahweh weighs the motives.

Job 14:4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one.

Control is the number one common trait, but why control? Because the bible itself does not allow for a total freedom of doctrinal thought, that is, Christian's are not allowed to accept every whim of teaching in it membership. Stop and think! Is religion little more than a Rock concert where no thought or ideas matters just enjoy the music? Just move with the rhythm open oneself up to the spirit in the concert?

1 Timothy 4:16 Pay attention to yourself, and to your teaching. Continue in these things, for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.

2 Timothy 3:16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and{or, Every writing inspired by God is} profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness.

Freedom of thought without control may seem to be a noble and liberal philosophy which feels good to open minded person, but those ideas can't be applied to even the most rudimentary of arrangements in the human endeavors, a family!

The idea of people coming together in unity which is in and of itself a demand for control due to the nature of human which requires control for unity. The human nature in all of us must legislate ideas through people authorized with the power to make decision for the group, a fundamental truth found in every business, religion, and government that has existed since mankind rebelled against God's control over their lives. Such freedom can never exist on earth so lets be honest life on earth is not a song that makes us feel good life is responsibility on every level from birth into death.

Ps.90:10 The days of our years are seventy, or even by reason of strength eighty years; yet their pride is but labor and sorrow, for it passes quickly, and we fly away.
90:11 Who knows the power of your anger, your wrath according to the fear that is due to you?
90:12 So teach us to number our days, that we may gain a heart of wisdom.
False Teaching

Then we must factor in false teaching. Here we would say, false teachings are in this case, the inherent nature of people to live and teach things that are factually not true. But for lack of better words we will state human just can't stop thinking in certain ways. Those ways are lies that can't come truth, but being conceived into sin which is human nature cause us to believes the lies, lies that we can't stop repeating and ultimately keep spreading into everything we do and practice in our lives.

First off, for example of accepted lie, can a religion education, legislate corruption from its members? No it can't! Neither can government do that, nor business can't do that either such thinking is a lie! But a lie so powerful that every member of religion teaches and believes their group can, as does government, and commerce, but the later don't uses the word sin, but issues, evil, corruption, false belief's. But the question begs if such were true, why does every religion in the history of mankind corrupt over time? Why is that trait so common in all branches of the human endeavor if legslation works?

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now I say this, brothers,{The word for "brothers" here and where context allows may also be correctly translated "brothers and sisters" or "siblings."} that flesh and blood can't inherit the Kingdom of God; neither does corruption inherit incorruption.

Conversely if such were true then it would seem those with pure motive would continue to legislated rules and laws that would totally clean up their members and they could boast in paradise on earth, correct? But what does truth tells us, what does empirical evidence prove beyond a shadow of a doubt? It proves that people by their nature sells an ideal about the perfection of their religion, just as government, and commerce does while complaining within the same group about the corruption and bad conduct being practice by its members.

James 3:12 Can a fig tree, my brothers, yield olives, or a vine figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh water.

Doesn't that sound familiar? Such fruit is what all politician's practice every minute of the day selling us something about how wonderful their work in all they are doing for us, (the positive approach the world so loves) but the truth never is realized. So this trait is found in all humans that have every exist on this earth, the statement should actually say this the very best humans can come up with labeling what is a lie the truth?

However, if we were living in their words only, and not their actions we would be living in a perfect world by now wouldn't we? If we choses to believe the lie and live only in words of human wisdom found in their teaching and words there is a constant improvement upward in improving the human race. Yet, after thousand's upon thousand's of years of religions on this earth what is the truth, the fruits on the tree that we as Christian's are to painfully see?

Matthew 23:25 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and unrighteousness.{TR reads "self-indulgence" instead of "unrighteousness"}

[b][u]Adding God into the Corruption
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Mankind looks to a god among people who is a genius to fix's their governments. Religion looks a god among their group to speak for God to clean up the corruption reform the group into a pure religion on earth, but God always seems to be late to the game? Yet, people always feel they are that one special group that God will uses to right the wrongs allowing them the privilege of judging and running other peoples lives that trait is common in all mankind since sin enter into our world, has it not? Isn't that same trait found in religion, government, and commerce? Words do not produce good fruit that is a lie, a fundamental lie, words only lie about the fruit to deceive those that want and love the lie.

1 Corinthians 5:6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast leavens the whole lump?

So adding God to corruption really doesn't clean up anything at all let alone reform it, now does it? What religion does unlike any other portion of human society is it create a myth a drug (by words of God found in the bible) that allows people to deny the truth by all evidence that the rest of society has to face or not be accepted, religion is drunk on a fancy, a world of unreality that thinks by its specialness its beyond the rules of corruption its sits a queen above the law!

Revelation 21:27 There will in no way enter into it anything profane, or one who causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's book of life.

1 John 2:21 I have not written to you because you don't know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth.

No where in the Christian Greek teaching of our bibles does it say God is reforming our flesh. Yet, that is the key, the stone of all false religion or they would know that God is not in religion, or has he started a religion on earth because God is not dealing with the flesh. No one that reads their bible can fine anywhere that Christian's in Christ are in their flesh to God, and God is making the flesh new that he is cleaning up into a more perfect flesh to present it to God in heaven. Those in Christ can't be of the flesh because they in Christ, that mean's they aren't part of this world, which means further they can't be of a religion on earth.

Romans 8:6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace;

Romans 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile towards God; for it is not subject to God's law, neither indeed can it be.

Romans 8:8 Those who are in the flesh can't please God.

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.

The nature of the flesh is a lie, it cannot stop trying to improve the flesh, and its not going to hear the truth of God that it can't be improved upon by applying God's law, a truth found in every bible, but yet that truth is not heard or accepted by any religion because religion is part of this world, the flesh!

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me. That life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.

So how can corruption be removed out of religion if it part of the world? Who would think as a reader of their bibles that a little corruption does not ferment the whole lump of all Christianity on earth? Who would live that lie and boast they are in the truth? Only a politician that is expected to sells us something to make us feel better about our lives in lying postive words the world uses to build its empires.

Matthew 13:33 He spoke another parable to them. "The Kingdom of Heaven is like yeast, which a woman took, and hid in three measures{literally, three sata. 3 sata is about 39 litres or a bit more than a bushel} of meal, until it was all leavened."

[b][u]The Starting Point of Reform[/u][/b]

Should not the starting point of any reform start with us? Yes, it should and does with God! Do we love the truth, and not the nature of corruption in our flesh that labels something corrupt, truth? Can we not honestly say and mean it that no hope for salvation is found in mankind, in their religion, governments, or commerce? Then why are so many Christian's looking for some god or leader within mankind institutions to save them and their group out of corruption?

John 5:44 How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?

John 2:25 and because he didn't need for anyone to testify concerning man; for he himself knew what was in man.

Truth then becomes a lie from the definition of the flesh. The same flesh that is happily labels many things as the truth, but its not truth at all. It repeats the word truth over and over again just like politician that never lie, but clarify. Truth to the flesh is nothing more then a justification of the lie the same lie that is found in all corrupt people who fall short of God's glory. That is God's judgment of the flesh when it lies about the truth.

Rom. 3:10 As it is written, "There is no one righteous; no, not one.
3:11 There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks after God.
3:12 They have all turned aside. They have together become unprofitable. There is no one who does good, no, not, so much as one."{Psalms 14:1-3; 53:1-3; Ecclesiastes 7:20}
3:13 "Their throat is an open tomb. With their tongues they have used deceit."{Psalm 5:9} "The poison of vipers is under their lips;"{Psalm 140:3}
3:14 "Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness."{Psalm 10:7}
3:15 "Their feet are swift to shed blood.
3:16 Destruction and misery are in their ways.
3:17 The way of peace, they haven't known."{Isaiah 59:7-8}
3:18 "There is no fear of God before their eyes."{Psalm 36:1

What do we want? Do we want a truth we can justify by scriptures or do we want a truth that condemns the flesh and puts it to death in Christ the truth of all scriptures?

Romans 8:13 For if you live after the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live.

Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if it is so that the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if any man doesn't have the Spirit of Christ, he is not his.

God's truth is that no person is justified by the scripture? Have we found that brutal truth yet? Have we like the apostle Paul found by God's Holy Spirit that nothing good dwells in our flesh? So how could false religion reform itself into anymore thing more then false religion if nothing good dwells in the flesh that created it in first place? How could God's word remove out of us what the Holy Spirit said can't a flesh we can't be in and please God?

Galatians 3:22 But the Scriptures imprisoned all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Romans 6:4 We were buried therefore with him through baptism to death, that just like Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.

Romans 6:13 Neither present your members to sin as instruments of unrighteousness, but present yourselves to God, as alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God.

Here millions of people are awaiting the one document that will expose the truth about the Watch Tower and Bible Tract Society, so she will crumble and people will be set free. The better question is, freedom from what, and into what? If one start in corruption and they think corruption can be cleaned up by more corruption how is that freedom, Spirit and truth, please explain?

Luke 5:37 No one puts new wine into old wineskins, or else the new wine will burst the skins, and it will be spilled, and the skins will be destroyed.

Rom.3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, don't boast and don't lie against the truth.

1 Corinthians 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old yeast, neither with the yeast of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Matt.7:18 A good tree can't produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit.

How can taking yeast and adding it to a fresh religion do anymore (clean up) than the yeast it was taken from? The truth start with us, were we ever seeking the truth of Christ in the first place or a religion that claims it represent Christ but has all the fruit of corrupt tree that can't produce good fruit?

1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and don't tell the truth.

1 John 2:21 I have not written to you because you don't know the truth, but because you know it, and because no lie is of the truth.

That is not a question many of us want to honestly explore, do we even care or are we like the world just wanting some place we feel comfortable in that we are accept in, and feel better then other in? You see if your honestly reading your bible the truth has never been lost, it has always been there for mankind. The truth is not shakable, or in darkness, and its not far off from anyone of us.

John 3:19 This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil.

John 3:20 For everyone who does evil hates the light, and doesn't come to the light, lest his works would be exposed.

John 3:21 But he who does the truth comes to the light, that his works may be revealed, that they have been done in God."

The question is why don't we know it? Why is the truth such and unreality that its can only be found in some religion full of corruption when our bibles tells us we will know them by what? Their corrupt fruits. Conversely, we will know the truth by what? His love, his love in us Christ Jesus who is the one incorruptible tree that cannot produce corrupt fruit, have we gotten that yet?

Hebrews 12:28 Therefore, receiving a Kingdom that can't be shaken, let us have grace, through which we serve God acceptably, with reverence and awe.

2 Peter 1:3 seeing that his divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us by his own glory and virtue;

Jude 1:25 to God our Savior, who alone is wise, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and forever. Amen.

Revelation 3:8 "I know your works (behold, I have set before you an open door, which no one can shut), that you have a little power, and kept my word, and didn't deny my name.

Ephesians 3:16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, that you may be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man;

Ephesians 3:20 Now to him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us,

When we expose the truth of others, according to the bible we are exposing ourselves, our own motives. Do we love the truth that much? Are we willing to be reproved by the light, exposing the same in us, in our flesh, dwells no good thing? How far down the road are we willing to go, just far enough to be given the power to judge others, or all the into the death of our own flesh in Christ?

Please explain how can a reformation, reform what God made new? Does reformation apply to something created new, a new person, a new mind? Where indeed did that idea of reformation come from for Christian's in the first place if is not of the flesh dead in Christ? Is that not a teaching dealing with corruption of the flesh found under the Old Law Covenant? It certainly not in the New Covenant, has the word new now become a lie as will?

Rom.8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.{NU omits "who don't walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit"}
8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.

How does a religion sanctify what God has sanctified by His own power Christ Jesus God's new creation and new heaven? How can practices of the flesh reading the bible clean up anything? Can a corrupt tree bear good fruit or is Christ a liar like our flesh is?

1Cor.1:29 that no flesh should boast before God.
1:30 But of him, you are in Christ Jesus, who was made to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption: 1:31 that, according as it is written, "He who boasts, let him boast in the Lord."{Jeremiah 9:24}

Titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy, he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit.

Can we imagine we are that far off from the tract of simple basic truth? Honestly? Does that even bother us? Actually no it does not for those in the flesh, they only want the truth of flesh and that is why reformation is a vanity of the flesh.

Moreover, that is why for some two thousand's years each reformation creates another corruption and another reformation not one of them have perfected anything in our flesh, no more then Adam improved his flesh after sinning.

Jer.17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and it is exceedingly corrupt: who can know it? 17:10 I, Yahweh, search the mind, I try the heart, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings.

Matt. 7:22 Many will tell me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, didn't we prophesy in your name, in your name cast out demons, and in your name do many mighty works?' 7:23 Then I will tell them, 'I never knew you. Depart from me, you who work iniquity.' 7:24 "Everyone therefore who hears these words of mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man, who built his house on a rock.

[b][u]Christ The Truth
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Need we even say this? Christ is the truth not the truth on paper found in our bibles. No! Christ is an indestructible life, not on paper, not in books, not in a religion, but in heaven with all of God's power.

1 Corinthians 1:24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God.

1 Corinthians 2:5 that your faith wouldn't stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.

1 Corinthians 4:20 For the Kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

But according to religion that is doing nothing more but looking for the truth on earth in exposing the lies found in the corruption of this earth, in its governments, religions, and commerce. That is the only magnificent truth of our fallen flesh the apex of heaven itself, in exposing corruption in the flesh?

Something Christ did two thousand's years ago the very reason he came to take, strip the power of the flesh, something religion is still teaching hasn't happen yet! Listen, does not new heavens, new creation, doesn't that not imply the old is corrupt, why indeed would we need new if the old was still good?

2 Peter 1:9 For he who lacks these things is blind, seeing only what is near, having forgotten the cleansing from his old sins.

Hebrews 1:11 They will perish, but you continue. They all will grow old like a garment does.

Ephesians 4:22 that you put away, as concerning your former way of life, the old man, that grows corrupt after the lusts of deceit;

Colossians 3:9 Don't lie to one another, seeing that you have put off the old man with his doings.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away. Behold, all things have become new.

Basic teaching of Christ he killed the corruption (flesh) by making us new, delivering us out of corruption (flesh) of the world. Do we need to know every little dirty detail of corruption to know that all of this world is corrupted, and not of God? Do we need to expose corruption it that our job, is that the Good News? Do we need to know that religion is corrupt making that the only pursuit in this life, the only thing we teach, preach and practice?

Have we even came to the light, if we have we know the truth of our flesh, why would we be surprised at the corruption found in our world in everything from religion to governments?

James.3:11 Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water? 3:12 Can a fig tree, my brothers, yield olives, or a vine figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh water.

Galatians 4:3 So we also, when we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental principles of the world.

Why would we not know the truth, by the love of God promised us? Why so little love for the truth of Christ, that we must search the corruption of the flesh to love the truth of Christ that should dwell in us by God's love?

Ephesians 2:2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the children of disobedience;

Ephesians 2:12 that you were at that time separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of the promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

Do we need a corruption watch? A Wikileaks for corruption of faith as if Christ is so weak as our Truth in incorruptibility that he can not teach us the truth? Do we not know if Christ is that weak and in effective Christ is dead, he not in Christian's any longer that he is only on paper not forgiving our sins as a everlasting high priest.

Philippians 3:10 that I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, becoming conformed to his death;

Colossians 1:11 strengthened with all power, according to the might of his glory, for all endurance and perseverance with joy;

Colossians 1:13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the Kingdom of the Son of his love;

Hebrews 7:16 who has been made, not after the law of a fleshly commandment, but after the power of an endless life:

Do we believe Christ exist in the corruption of flesh of mankind's creation conceived in sin and corruption a glory far less than God's own glory? Do we understand that that confession in and of itself is nothing but death and darkness? If that is all we have in our hearts, then our own faith is found in religion the dead works Christ put away by his very life. If such is true we have came into the darkness to live the lie, we are dedicated to a religion (flesh), and we exist in our sins!

Levitius 5:3 "'Or if he touches the uncleanness of man, whatever his uncleanness is with which he is unclean, and it is hidden from him; when he knows of it, then he shall be guilty.

2 Corinthians 6:17 Therefore, "'Come out from among them, and be separate,' says the Lord. 'Touch no unclean thing. I will receive you.{Isaiah 52:11; Ezekiel 20:34,41}

Do we honestly believe we can put away our sins, by the corruption of our flesh by religious doctrine? Do we believe that a religion can stop our prayers to God? Do we believe religion can take away God's free gift of life given to mankind Jesus Christ?

Matthew 7:18 A good tree can't produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit.

Matthew 9:4 Jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, "Why do you think evil in your hearts?

Matthew 13:19 When anyone hears the word of the Kingdom, and doesn't understand it, the evil one comes, and snatches away that which has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown by the roadside.

Matthew 20:15 Isn't it lawful for me to do what I want to with what I own? Or is your eye evil, because I am good?'

Luke 11:34 The lamp of the body is the eye. Therefore when your eye is good, your whole body is also full of light; but when it is evil, your body also is full of darkness.

What our we worshiping if that is true? Then it would be necessary to expose and preach and teach false religion reformation because that what we've placed our eternal life in, that is, our Christ, our door into eternal life. We are stating we love this world, more than Christ, we love the old more than the new heavens and new earth that we await in Christ, we are trading Christ glory for the old corruption and darkness of this world.

John 3:19 This is the judgment, that the light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil.

The question we must answer, do we seek an old reformation or our we created new in Christ? Do we long for an old lump, or a new one, a new personality not created by hands of human flesh, or do we love the new one created in the likeness of Christ through the will of God and not mankind, judge what is righteous!

John 8:15 You judge according to the flesh. I judge no one.

[b][u]Conclusion of The Matter[/u][/b]

Will there be a reformation of Jehovah's Witnesses religion? No! Those in the group have been duped by the application of the things of the flesh found in the old law covenant, that is, the fleshly nation of Israel.

They long as the Jews did for a human deliver that will judge the temple of their religion the Governing body on earth a judge sent by God to reform their religion. They dream of, and teach the things of the flesh within their group putting supreme importance on a clean flesh that it will become cleaner, free of corruption, thus, removing the bad fruit of their religious membership.

They have gulped down the camel while chocking on the gnat they have no clue that the flesh is dead in Christ that Christ came to complete all the former prophecy given to the prophets of the old covenant. The tree of Jehovah's witnesses has produced an earthly fleshly nation not unlike any other nation of people of this world having the same fruitage as they all have found in corruption of mankind's flesh.

Jehovah's Witnesses has one mandate that continues to mislead them and that mandate is compare and measure themselves against other flesh from other religions in a religious war and competition to see which one is best. Like little children of the foolish flesh they have missed the power of Christ in their lives for the glory of men, for the darkness of the flesh in trying to perfect their own flesh, over the glory of God in Christ Jesus.

They are blinded by the rule of law that they have become obsessed in judging the flesh and living in a corruption of legal mind that can't stop judging.

They label evil fruits good, the very thing Christ said false prophets would do, calling a corrupt tree good, and good tree corrupt. The flesh was completed (not reformed) and finished two thousand's years ago as Christ calls ones out of the flesh, i.e., the world into the incorruptible life of Christ Jesus putting it to death because it could not be reformed.

Christ and his body members are not part of this world, they are not part of the world building projects or do they boast in the flesh. They are Spirit son's of God in Christ seated above with Christ having no corruption of this world in them, for they belong to Christ as God's gift to free the human race from corruption.

There is no reformation of what belongs to Christ for he has not neglected his body, he has not made them part of this world, nor has he went back into the flesh giving his power to the world to reform what belongs to him.