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Two Worlds

There are two bodies, one is a spiritual body, and the other is a physical body, or a fleshly body. Both of these bodies can exist for human on earth, but they are opposed to each other, one hundred and eighty degrees opposite.

1 John 1:5 This is the message which we have heard from him and announce to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

The spiritual body is light, while the fleshly body is darkness, both bodies have fruits on their branches. The spiritual body has fruit of eternal life, while the body of flesh has fruit of eternal death upon it.

Ephesians 5:9 for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth.

1 Corinthians 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds.

The life of each body is in it, and we have to be a part of the body to have the life of the body in us, either for good or bad. The body of flesh has laws that govern the body, these laws are the natural order and desire of the body of flesh, which are laws for the flesh. On the other hand, the law of the spiritual body are free from the laws of the flesh, if the body of spirit comes into contact with the body of flesh, it will corrupted it into death. But neither can the body of spirit change the fleshly body into to a body of Spirit or a spiritual body.

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, that you may not do the things that you desire.

In other words, one body cannot clean up the other by association because one corrupts the other making it into itself. The life of each body must die for it to be a part of the other body, neither can it cross over such a great chasm as light is to darkness, it is not possible by the laws govern each body are so totally difference that the laws will kill the other.

Romans 6:4 We were buried therefore with him through baptism to death, that just like Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we also might walk in newness of life.

Truth Vs. The Lie

Subsequently, there are two bodies, one is a body of law, for governing the flesh, and he other is a body of spiritual fruit governed by the spiritual law of love. Each body claims to have the truth, but only one body actually has truth, while the other thinks it has truth, but cannot be the truth.

The physical body of flesh or laws of the flesh is a lie when it comes to the spiritual body, which is the truth, but why? The body of flesh has degrees of truth under its laws of the flesh. In other words, in its world there is a measure of truth people are held accountable too, but in the the spiritual body there are no degrees of truth, the spiritual body is the truth and it light which means life eternal.

John 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world can't receive; for it doesn't see him, neither knows him. You know him, for he lives with you, and will be in you.

Rom.3:11 There is no one who understands. There is no one who seeks after God. 3:12 They have all turned aside. They have together become unprofitable. There is no one who does good, no, not, so much as one."{Psalms 14:1-3; 53:1-3; Ecclesiastes 7:20} 3:13 "Their throat is an open tomb. With their tongues they have used deceit."{Psalm 5:9} "The poison of vipers is under their lips;"{Psalm 140:3} 3:14 "Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness."{Psalm 10:7}

Human Born Into a Body of Flesh

The whole human race is born into this body of flesh, a body of laws that govern the actions, and growth of the body of flesh, like a great tree having many branches that require nutrients from the soil it is planted into to find life and growth.

Galatians 6:8 For he who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption. But he who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life.

The tree of flesh, or laws of the flesh, is a tree of darkness because the fruit upon its branches are created by sin and its laws, which are dead to the spiritual tree of life. The fleshly mind of the tree can love truth, but it cannot be truth from its own nature with is darkness and lie. In other words, darkness is death, and a lie, it cannot be truth, or eternal life, it can desires truth, and eternal life but it can never be or obtain it by its own strengthen or nature.

Ephesians 2:3 among whom we also all once lived in the lust of our flesh, doing the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, even as the rest.

The World of Good And Evil

The tree of flesh has laws governing its own world, a world in darkness from the light of the body of truth, the spiritual body of eternal life. Within the world of fleshly darkness are found laws that produce both good and evil fruit for the world of the body of flesh. But neither of these fruits are the fruits of eternal life founded upon the spiritual tree.

But the fleshly mind thinks that they are, why? Because in the world of the fleshly tree it knows no other world or laws, so what ever it feeds on is death, it may think life, or hope for truth, but the very soil it is planted into is darkness, what is that soil?

Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were through the law, worked in our members to bring forth fruit to death.

It is the soil of sin, which produce thorns and thistles of good and evil, but it cannot produce life. Yes, within the world of the body of flesh, its laws produce good and evil, unlike the spiritual body of truth, and light which produces only good.

Romans 8:6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace;

A Dichotomy Creates A Great Chasm

The dichotomy that exist for the body of flesh is it cannot pass-over into the spiritual body, but it believes with all of its will that it can and will kill other flesh in its own body, and of the spiritual body to prove that it can. The fleshly body is blinded to the the spiritual body it cannot know or even speak the language of the spirit body of truth, but it cannot believe this, and will lay such fierce claim too knowing the truth it will kill itself and others proving its ownership of truth.

Romans 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile towards God; for it is not subject to God's law, neither indeed can it be.

Romans 8:8 Those who are in the flesh can't please God.

However, the spirit body knows both the fleshly body, and the spiritual body, and it lays claim to no ownership of truth, it knows that the truth is not its own, but rather a gift given to the tree in which it was grafted into by the will of the tree, not its own will.

1Cor.2:14 Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 2:15 But he who is spiritual discerns all things, and he himself is judged by no one.

The spiritual body knows a great chasm exist between the two bodies opposed to each other, and one cannot pass-over to the other without the results of pollution and corruption of the spiritual body. While the fleshly body would not know that it polluted the spiritual body anymore than pigs eating a fine pearl in its pig pen.

Matt. 7:6 "Don't give that which is holy to the dogs, neither throw your pearls before the pigs, lest perhaps they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

Killing To Live In The Other Body

There exist a killing that must be done to pass-over into each body, one must die to live in the spiritual body, and one must die from the spiritual body to live in the fleshly body. But they cannot coexist at the same time in one body. In fact, the laws of the fleshly body is of no value at all to the spiritual body for life, and the laws of the spiritual body are of no value for life in the fleshly body. In fact, they are foolishness to the fleshly body.

John 6:63 It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.

The killing is the end product of the two bodies coming into contact with each other, that is, the spiritual body must kill the fleshly body to have association with it, and the fleshly body must kill the spiritual body to have association with it. There is a hate between these two bodies, one is a lie, while the other the truth.

The spiritual body is no part of the world of the fleshly body, and the fleshly body is no part of the world of the spiritual body.

Galatians 4:29 But as then, he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so also it is now.

Galatians 5:24 Those who belong to Christ have crucified the flesh with its passions and lusts.

The Story of the Bible

Here stated above is the story of God's word the bible, where God helps mankind to understand by contact with the human race enough truth that they seek to be a part of His spiritual body of truth. Yes, this is the simple plain truth of the bible, it is nothing more than this, where God Himself puts forth great effort helping us understand in a very limited way truth, not the truth of this world which is the body of flesh that holds some truths for it body of flesh, but not the truth of the spiritual world. Moreover, where God making limited contact with mankind through atoning for their fleshly desires by blood of innocent animal sacrifices so He can communicating with us, without mixing the spiritual world into the fleshly world; destroying any hope of salvation for the human race.

Galatians 5:9 A little yeast grows through the whole lump.

Yes, the spiritual world of light cannot mix into the fleshly world of darkness with out corrupting the whole mass, the fleshes world offers nothing good for the spiritual world, but the fleshly world believes it does.

The fleshly world believes truth is the most important thing in the life of the spiritual world, the flesh believes its desire are righteous, which it interprets into loving truth, but it is lie, the fleshly world cannot love the truth of the spiritual world, or can it even know it. The fleshly world lives in a world of darkness and lies

1 John 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him and walk in the darkness, we lie, and don't tell the truth.

James 3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, don't boast and don't lie against the truth.

Hebrews 6:18 that by two immutable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we may have a strong encouragement, who have fled for refuge to take hold of the hope set before us.

God first gave certain men knowledge of Him; these men became the forefathers to a nation God called Israel. The nation of Israel was given the law of God, too a man named Moses, this man became the mediator between God and mankind of Israel in explaining God's laws, and setting up the blood of atonement for the body of flesh, so it could stand before God and be taught through this mediator Moses.

1Cor.10:1 Now I would not have you ignorant, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
10:2 and were all baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea;

But without the blood of atonement these two world could not communicate, being they are opposed too one other, the blood made peace between two worlds, but the two world could not mix, until one world died by the blood, covering its sins, so it might live to God's righteousness.

Numbers 6:14 and he shall offer his offering to Yahweh, one male lamb a year old without blemish for a burnt offering, and one ewe lamb a year old without blemish for a sin offering, and one ram without blemish for peace offerings.

Yes, a simple but profound truth, death must occur to each member of the fleshly Israel, or instead have some one substitute its innocent life for each member to stand before God under His righteous laws. But why animals, because they are not under the righteous laws of God given to Moses, they were innocent to breaking the laws of God.

Numbers 7:17 and for the sacrifice of peace offerings, two head of cattle, five rams, five male goats, and five male lambs a year old. This was the offering of Nahshon the son of Amminadab.

Temporary Measure a Shadow of Truth

The nations of Israel was but temporary solution to teach the flesh; causing it to be broken by laws that it could not keep so it might understand a shadow of truth so bright that the nation could not handle such brightness all at once.

First it must see the truth of two worlds, that they do not coexist as one as the fleshly mind honestly believes. The truth that must be understood is harsh and must kill the flesh, or substitute an innocent life to break down the chasm or wall existing between these two world, one light and interruption, while the other is darkness and corruption into death.

Deuteronomy 21:6 All the elders of that city, who are nearest to the slain man, shall wash their hands over the heifer whose neck was broken in the valley.

The two worlds collide in violence against the other, without the atoning blood causing peace, by God not accounting the nations sins against them. Here each member stood stunned at the blood being spelt for their sins, something having no control over its own life was brought with violence to the altar to atone for their sins rather they understood they where sinful or not, the realty was the violence done to an innocent victim.

Matthew 11:12 From the days of John the Baptizer until now, the Kingdom of Heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.{or, plunder it.}

Why violence because violence caused by sin alienates us from the world God lives in, and wanted us to live in. Pain, real horrific pain, and suffering caused by mankind choosing what is good, and evil by their fleshly mind creating a world hostile to God's world.

Denial of The Flesh In Violence Done By Sin

The flesh loves the flesh and its laws, until it cause them pain; the nation of Israel sacrificed millions of animals to atone for its sins, until it because a ritualistic mundane killing, having no mercy for animal or humans, but how? The flesh never comes up higher once it goes down, what the flesh does is create another law, but it does not change its nature.

Ezekiel 22:26 Her priests have done violence to my law, and have profaned my holy things: they have made no distinction between the holy and the common, neither have they caused men to discern between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my Sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

So too the Pharisee's and Scribes just created more laws when the mercy and kindness of the precious blood of animals became a mundane ritual. The people started worshiping the law, yes, so many laws, but they could keep some of them better than other ones, so where an average rule of conduct was accept as the truth.

An average rule of conduct, what does this mean? It means when the flesh cannot keep the demands of the Law, they create a sub-law within the community that allows them to break the laws as long as it was not overt.

Such hiding of true motivates were acceptable as long as it did not become public, causing embarrassment to other members of society practicing the same conduct. In other words, living a lie, as an acceptable conduct to hid the truth of ones heart.

However, blood stood as a witnesses against their true nature, it was an reality check for the nations, not creating more laws, when they could not keep the law in the first place, hence, the blood should have reproved any honest hearted person, knowing it was given them a precious life undeserved, should it have not?

But no! The leadership of the nation created more lesser laws that could be keep by just showing up, perfunctory laws, done in repetition to stay a member; forget about the truth of the blood, just make yourself right by keeping all these lesser laws, and Priest would use his power of position tol deal with the big issue with God for you.

The very violence done too the innocent victim became nothing more than a tea party, a event, a spectator sport, just like the nations of the world that were killing men in their arenas for sport. The nation was bogged down in their own goodness by keeping a million and one lesser laws, proving they were righteous while denying the very blood upon the altar shed for them out of God's mercy.

Isaiah 66:3 He who kills an ox is as he who kills a man; he who sacrifices a lamb, as he who breaks a dog's neck; he who offers an offering, [as he who offers] pig's blood; he who burns frankincense, as he who blesses an idol. Yes, they have chosen their own ways, and their soul delights in their abominations.

The Killing of God's Pass-Over Lamb

So the body of flesh collides with the body of spirit into the killing of the lamb of God. Yes, without remembering the mercy and the violence done to the innocent victim of a animal the nations was doomed into an unforgivable fleshly mistake, killing the Son of God, by fleshly hatred through their fleshly laws!

The minding of the flesh, by laws of the flesh creates a self-righteous hate that kills the life out of those judged by the same laws.

Matthew 23:35 that on you may come all the righteous blood shed on the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zachariah son of Barachiah, whom you killed between the sanctuary and the altar.

Christ Jesus was not condemned for breaking His righteous laws, Christ Jesus needed no blood spilled in violence for his sins, for he never sinned or utter words of sins. His every desire was right with God, so God blessed Christ with incorruptible eternal life, he did not condemn him by His laws, no! He exulted Christ Jesus higher than the angels.

But the body flesh condemned Christ Jesus by the laws of their sinful flesh. They found no mercy for him, they could not see one good thing in Christ, he was useless, and foolish as the dirt under their feet by the judgment of the fleshly body of laws.

Matthew 27:25 All the people answered, "May his blood be on us, and on our children!"

Such hate can only be contempt too such a degree that Christ Jesus had no usefulness as a human being too them, he could add nothing to their fleshly body of thinking, he would not be missed in a million years by their rules governing their world.

Breaking The Bread of Life

Yes, unrighteous laws broke the bread of life into killing into the killing of his flesh, but not the spirit because the laws of the spiritual world are not the same as the laws judgment of our flesh. God exult Christ by laws of the Spirit making him the King of eternity for the human race, Christ Jesus became life for us, not death as those thought judging him as a sinner under their fleshly law thinking.

1 Peter 3:18 Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring you to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit.

Killing the flesh of a righteous man without sin only fulfills the laws killing him, defeated was the world of darkness under the fleshly mind and its so called righteous judgments that are a lies, proving all men liars of their flesh. How misguide we are to the truth of the spiritual world to make such a stupid and foolish judgment? Very! Yes, this is the nature of the flesh impute unrighteous to our neighbor creating a justification for our evil thoughts about them.

Jer.17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and it is exceedingly corrupt: who can know it? 17:10 I, Yahweh, search the mind, I try the heart, even to give every man according to his ways, according to the fruit of his doings.

Build a case to make ourselves look better, hence, the collision of flesh and spirit, one must die, and the other must live, but its does not make the judgment correct, it only proves how unrighteous we are and what we will do in our fleshly minds to prove ourselves right in a matter.

Rom. 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don't find it doing that which is good.

Such was the killing of God own Son, whom never sinned or done evil!

Knowing The Truth

So it is the fleshly body or mind of the flesh that says: “ I know the truth by the teachings of God's word the bible, but the truth is Jesus Christ, a spirit person living in a world that cannot be known by the fleshly mind, so how can one judge correctly by the fleshly mind the laws/words of the bible? Well they can't. The bible is written for those having God's Holy Spirit, by Christ blood atoning their sins, one cannot know spirit by flesh, it can only be known by spirit.

James 3:11 Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water? 3:12 Can a fig tree, my brothers, yield olives, or a vine figs? Thus no spring yields both salt water and fresh water.
3:13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by his good conduct that his deeds are done in gentleness of wisdom.

Thus, Christ Jesus is the truth, and he is now in the spiritual body, in a world governed by the perfect law of love, which becomes known to us as freedom from works of our flesh, that is, dead works.

Galatians 5:13 For you, brothers, were called for freedom. Only don't use your freedom for gain to the flesh, but through love be servants to one another.

James 2:12 So speak, and so do, as men who are to be judged by a law of freedom.

No man has enough good in him to pass-over the chasm of flesh into spirit world without God's approve of such a man. But the flesh says yes I can in my stubborn will, I can do what ever I set by mind, heart and will to I am as smart as the next guy”.

Isa.6:5 Then I said, "Woe is me! For I am undone, because I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips: for my eyes have seen the King, Yahweh of Armies!"
6:6 Then one of the seraphim flew to me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar. 6:7 He touched my mouth with it, and said, "Behold, this has touched your lips; and your iniquity is taken away, and your sin forgiven."

But the flesh is of no value at all to the world of the spiritual body, it is foolishness found in mundane corruption and death that can give nothing of its worth to the spiritual world of Christ Jesus and his spiritual body.

It is rather Christ Jesus worth that lets mankind stand in peace with God so the two world can communicate, it not the flesh and its goodness by intellect that does so.

Romans 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were through the law, worked in our members to bring forth fruit to death

Finding the truth a gift of God, if one thinks it is through their own good effort they have the truth, they might remember the violence done to the Christ and his body members humbling themselves before the might hand of God, and perhaps God will give them the truth, what truth? The life of His Son the truth, so they can actually understand the bible by a spiritual mind instead by a haughty intellectual mind of the flesh.

Romans 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

No man can give themselves the truth, by studying the bible, or any other book or doctrine claiming the truth by religion or otherwise. God gives a person the truth through the violence done to Christ Jesus at no cost too you.

John 1:14 The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father, except through me.

You can look at that blood and remember the price paid for you to know God. You can look at what mercy God has done for you; that it is not our will, but the will of Christ Jesus working in the body of Spirit that gives life to it. You can understand you are not formed with human hands by a teaching of some physical religion seating itself into a temple of Christ Jesus, boasting in their fleshly mind producing good and evil fruits on its branches.

You can remember the violence done to Christ Jesus killing his flesh so you might live in his spiritual life. You might remember that his death is substituted for your death so you can be grafted into the tree of life, Christ Jesus. And you than can comprehend with the holy ones made holy by the life of Christ Jesus that it is not your fruits on you the branch, but rather Christ Jesus life that produces the fruits of life, you have been blessed with.

Romans 11:16 If the first fruit is holy, so is the lump. If the root is holy, so are the branches.

Romans 11:18 don't boast over the branches. But if you boast, it is not you who support the root, but the root supports you.

John 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the farmer.
15:2 Every branch in me that doesn't bear fruit, he takes away. Every branch that bears fruit, he prunes, that it may bear more fruit.

15:3 You are already pruned clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 15:4 Remain in me, and I in you. As the branch can't bear fruit by itself, unless it remains in the vine, so neither can you, unless you remain in me. 15:5 I am the vine. You are the branches. He who remains in me, and I in him, the same bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 15:6 If a man doesn't remain in me, he is thrown out as a branch, and is withered; and they gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned.

May your world become the world of YHWH and His Son Christ Jesus being transferred into his Son's love, not colliding into the destruction violence done to those loving the Kingdom of God.

Romans 13:9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet,"{TR adds "You shall not give false testimony,"}{Exodus 20:13-15,17; Deuteronomy 5:17-19,21} and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."{Leviticus 19:18}

Romans 13:10 Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.