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An outstanding witness Daniel, may are father of celestial light bless your heartfelt work of teaching dear brother…Looking forward to part 2...
Ps 65
2 O Hearer of prayer, even to you people of all flesh will come.
3 Things of error have proved mightier than I am.
As for our transgressions, you yourself will cover them.
4 Happy is the one you choose and cause to approach,
That he may reside in your courtyards.
We will certainly be satisfied with the goodness of your house,
The holy place of your temple.
5 With fear-inspiring things in righteousness you will answer us,
O God of our salvation,
The Trust of all the borders of the earth and those far away on the sea.
6 He is firmly establishing the mountains with his power;
He is indeed girded with mightiness.
7 He is stilling the noise of the seas,
The noise of their waves and the turmoil of the national groups.
8 And the inhabitants of the uttermost parts will be afraid of your signs;
The goings forth of the morning and evening you cause to cry out joyfully.
9 You have turned your attention to the earth, that you may give it abundance;
You enrich it very much.
The stream from God is full of water.
You prepare their grain,
For that is the way you prepare the earth.
10 There is a drenching of its furrows, a leveling off of its clods;
With copious showers you soften it; you bless its very sprouts.
Micah,5:7“And the remaining ones of Jacob must become in the midst of many peoples
like dew from Jehovah, like copious showers upon vegetation, that does not hope for man or wait for the sons of earthling man.
8 And the remaining ones of Jacob must become among the nations, in the midst of many peoples, like a lion among the beasts of a forest, like a maned young lion among droves of sheep
Ps..32 “Give ear, O heavens, and let me speak;
And let the earth hear the sayings of my mouth.
2 My instruction will drip as the rain,
My saying will trickle as the dew,
As gentle rains upon grass
And as copious showers upon vegetation.
Brian
A New Heaven a New Earth
Revelation 21:1 I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth have passed away, and the sea is no more.
God's Kingdom the long awaited hope of mankind, since the fall of Adam and Eve into sin, God has set a better hope for mankind, a time when God would once again unit the heavens and earth into the glorious freedom of the Son's of God. But as time delays, and move forward weed Christian's have grappled with this hope of the kingdom of God until we have hundreds if not thousand's of theories, teachings, and thoughts on the subject of God's Kingdom because weeds have over-sown the field of wheat Christian's, of God's own planting.
There are groups or religions that believe God has only one hope for all of mankind, a heavenly hope, and they have compelling, and convincing arguments to prove their point. Than we have the opposite in some religions that teach there is an earthly hope almost to the exclusion of people going to heaven, and they too have compelling, and convincing arguments to support their teachings.
Let us remember that this is an age old discussion dating back to the earliest writings in Christianity, so things have changed little when it comes to the lines or division over this subject. In other words, we as humans are, but a mist on this earth, although, we think we have forever in our hearts, and/or we are the most enlighten generation that has every lived; instead we will find such isn't always true. Sadly, few of us really study the history of our own country let alone history of Christianity. Subsequently, what might appear to be “new light” is nothing more than we have stumbled upon a subject for the first time, which does not mean it hasn't been will researched and written about hundred of years early.
Psalms 39:5 Behold, you have made my days handbreadths. My lifetime is as nothing before you. Surely every man stands as a breath." Selah.
Not Imputing Evil
1 John 2:10 He who loves his brother remains in the light, and there is no occasion for stumbling in him.
There is a notorious habit among religions, not just Christianity, but all religion, and for that matter attorney's of the law in imputing evil to others when someone disagrees with there teachings, but the sheer discussion of God's Kingdom for some two-thousand's years should give a thinking person pause in realizing many sincere and honest hearted people have grappled with this subject of heaven and earth being under God's Kingdom.
Matt.5:5 Blessed are the gentle, for they shall inherit the earth.{or, land. Psalm 37:11}
Seeking a certain understanding of the truth does not make a person evil, but do you know what does make a person evil? It is when we persecute others by our so called truth, that is, we expect everyone to thinking and believe the way we do, and if not, we punishes them as evil, slandering them as an apostate, which in reality makes the name caller evil!
Rom.12:16 Be of the same mind one toward another. Don't set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Don't be wise in your own conceits. 12:17 Repay no one evil for evil. Respect what is honorable in the sight of all men.
Logical Reasoning
Logical reasoning is something all of us would like to think we have, but not all of us logic the same, this is why we have over 41-thousand's division, and sects of the Christian's faith today, people do not thinking the same on most subjects. Just express any detailed subject and pass it around a room of people and you will come back with many different thoughts on the same idea.
Unfortunately, conformity usually ends up meaning taking power over someones else personal choice making them conform to a thought we believe is correct. This does not mean by any stretch of the imagination that some truth's aren't obvious to all. Such as we have a sun, of course, some thought at one time in the history of mankind it was above our earth, we now know we orbit around the sun, but all generations of mankind has seen and known there is a sun, which bring the seasons too our earth.
Logical reasoning is also the first hiding place for those with agenda. In other words, just like the attorney's of law for governments who twist each law into their clients best interest, pushing laws so far from the original intent of the law that the writers of them would not believe how far their laws have been skewed!
We must remember if you haven't study law, Christian's should at least understand, much of the Christian's faith after Christ Jesus is founded in legal terminology, but why? Because as weed Christian's took over the field of God's planting of His wheat, weed Christian's started using the laws of this world incorporating them into the early congregations creating a hierarchy of position(s) for honor, and power for religious leaders. Hence, such laws did not come from Christ, and/or position from the law of Christ but instead ambitious men.
We must understand the fear these ambitious men were trying to drive into their laity class, which required the terminology of governmental laws the nations used in striking fear into their own subjects heart in not breaking them, hence, empowering government over common people as feared, a ruling class, of gods
So the point here is, in law, there is a never ending argument of law, where attorney's present one side of law for their client best interest, gathering facts to uphold their augments, while the other side does the same, but neither arguments is necessary the truth. Many of the word's Christian speak against one another and/or for others are often by uses of legalize words incorporated by weed-Christian's from the apostles writings, as all ready stated above, when Christianity was changing into governmental type authority over a laity class they used words legalized for power over subjects.
Furthermore, it is the nature of humans with fleshly minds to take up arms, physically, or verbally against the opposing side through such legal arguments, calling their legal wranglings the truth! But it hard to argue love, which is, the identifying truth of wheat-Christian's
Did God Have a Purpose For Our Earth?
Titus 3:9 but shun foolish questionings, genealogies, strife, and disputes about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
Let's start with a simple illustration before we get into a serious discussion about the matter of a New Heavens, and a New Earth, which goes like this:
Before you is a large pie, as you examine this pie you note immediately that it has two halves, one half is the Hebrew writings of the bible, and the other half is the Greek writings of the same bible, both add to the other piece making a whole pie of God's purposes for mankind. But upon closer examination you note that both halves of same pie have a small slivers cut from each half of the pie. So now we have four pieces of pie, overlooked at first glance.
The Hebrew half of the pie represents the earthly hope the Jews held for thousand's of years on earth under God's Kingdom, but the little sliver of pie in the same half represents a preview of a heavenly hope during that same period. Now you turn your attention to the Greek half of the same pie, which represents the heavenly hope in God's Kingdom, but its also has sliver of pie represents an earthly hope previewed under of God's Kingdom, but yet future, what are we to make of this pie as a whole?
What we should not do,is, just teach pieces of the pie, but instead we should teach the whole pie, so to speak. Teaching parts of the pie often happens when a person is forced into a particular religious belief, so lets illustrate:
This because we are human under sin. Thus, if we come from parents having a strong opinion, even an abusive opinion on some subject, lets say religion, then a person will find that the children will go to the other extreme, when in fact, neither extreme is good. Sadly, the child at all cost will on every occasion once grow take a jab at their parents beliefs in order to make point and/or punish them for their extremism.
Subsequently, two extremes don't make a right. We as Christian's cannot ignore either slivers of pie, both are part of the whole truth of God's word. However, as noted, some people have been forced by a "religious-organization-parents" to accept one piece of the pie declaring those not accepting theirs beliefs as wicked, and/or evil, and perhaps not even a Christian's, but an apostates from the Christ.
Where Jews taught only a earthly hope, and Christ spoke mainly of a heavenly hope one cannot ignore the bible speaks of both a New Heaven's, and a New Earth, where God's righteousness will dwell at some future time. We will also find that no one in the Jewish times, (before Christ), went around preaching that everyone would go to heaven. On the other hand, during Christ time,and his apostles time, no Christian's went around preaching people would live forever on earth.
The Jews were proven wrong by focusing on just their portion of the pie, while Christian's may will be found wrong at some future time when teaching everyone has a heavenly hope, while over looking a new earth, which would means focusing only on their portion of the pie.
Psalms 33:8 Let all the earth fear Yahweh. Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of him.
Revelation 21:24 The nations will walk in its light. The kings of the earth bring the glory and honor of the nations into it.
Was their a special message during the Jewish age for a heavenly hope, no!. Is there a special message for Christian's for a earthly hope right now during the Christian's age, no! Subsequently, this does not mean at God's appointed time in the future there won't be a new earth hope, the Jews found this to be true of the new heavens, and mistakenly rejected the messenger of the heavenly hope, Christ.
Some Simple Questions?
Revelation 5:13 I heard every created thing which is in heaven, on the earth, under the earth, on the sea, and everything in them, saying, "To him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb be the blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion, forever and ever! Amen!{TR omits "Amen!"}"
Can we expect that both Jew and Christian alike would have known if God had a purpose for mankind on earth? This is important question, because there are abundant scriptures clearly stating God did have a purpose of creating mankind on earth. We are told God/YHWH made man a little lower than angles, but did He make mankind at first from angels, and/or spirit being, that is, spirit son's of God? Hence, experiment as it were with them, in a project to see if they could live in their flesh upon earth?
Psalms 8:5 For you have made him a little lower than God,{Hebrew: Elohim. The word Elohim, used here, usually means "God," but can also mean "gods," "princes," or "angels."} and crowned him with glory and honor.
Actually He did not! Instead He made them or created man a little lower than His angels, but of far greater importance, lets remember God created them from His love. If He did not want mankind on earth, why did he created man and place him on it in the first place? Conversely, why didn't God take His already created spirit son's, letting them put on fleshly bodies, and populate the earth? Wouldn't of this have solved the problem; if everyone goes to heaven any way at some future date becoming a spirit son of God? Does this speech shock you?
1 Corinthians 2:16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he should instruct him?"{Isaiah 40:13} But we have Christ's mind.
Will it shouldn't, because angels rebelled against God, and did exactly that in the Noah's day. Hence, God destroyed all flesh because of this evil wrought by this unholy mixtures of angel, and humans flesh through spirits having intercourse with flesh and blood. God creates all things according to their kind. In other words, angels are not humans kind, and humans are not spirit kind, so they shouldn't mix unnaturally causing problems mentally and physically for both species, and their offspring, which were produced by an unholy alliance. If God is love why would He do such an evil thing?
Gen.6:1 It happened, when men began to multiply on the surface of the ground, and daughters were born to them, 6:2 that God's sons saw that men's daughters were beautiful, and they took for themselves wives of all that they chose. 6:3 Yahweh said, "My Spirit will not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; yet will his days be one hundred twenty years." 6:4 The Nephilim were in the earth in those days, and also after that, when God's sons came in to men's daughters. They bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. 6:5 Yahweh saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
What was God's purpose for mankind? It was for Adam and Eve to fill the whole earth with their kind, other human being, not spirit being with flesh, hence, they were to live under God's Kingdom, not in it like spirit son's already were doing. Did Adam and Eve long to go to heaven? In other words, being bored with earthly paradise, waiting their trials to end in their flesh, longing for a better hope at some future time in God's plan, which would mean, for a better, greater life in heaven?
Of course, remembering, this would be, before they had fell into sin leading into death? Will, once again we think not. Paradise, is paradise, no matter where it be found, and that is what it implies, perfect life in peace. Paradise, for man was the place man was created to live, on earth, and for how long? Forever! Can we speculate with human logic assuming at some point mankind would have become bored with paradise, and wanted off the earth?
Psalms 23:1 <<A Psalm by David.>> Yahweh is my shepherd: I shall lack nothing.
Will, isn't this fleshly thinking, it certainly isn't spiritual thinking? If it is spiritual thinking, which Adam and Eve were created with, by the way perfect spiritual thinking, they would have to have been discontented with their lives in paradise, longer for more, implying something good was lacking in their early home. But the scriptures teach us there is nothing, and/or wanting for those loving God/YHWH. This thought is not just a good thought then, but for right now in our own flesh under sin, moreover, into all eternity; we should be content. Even-though, we are living in sin where sickness and death rules over us right now, so why wouldn't Adam and Eve had been contented with paradise, having no fear of pain of death, in the place they where created to live, in a perfect environment of peace with earth and God?
In other words, was God holding back something good from Adam and Eve some special knowledge of living elsewhere cheating them of their real hope, in heaven? The question begs who would have known such information? Certainly not , Adam and Eve, they were created for the earth, and the earth was created for them, they weren't created for the heavens, so where would such knowledge have had to come from?
Let us pause for one moment, and contemplated the thought of God creating a whole beautiful planet earth just for Adam and Eve, really think about that expression of love? Moving forward, where did the thought of discontentment of life on earth come from?
Gen.3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle than any animal of the field which Yahweh God had made. He said to the woman, "Has God really said, 'You shall not eat of any tree of the garden?'" 3:2 The woman said to the serpent, "Of the fruit of the trees of the garden we may eat, 3:3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the middle of the garden, God has said, 'You shall not eat of it, neither shall you touch it, lest you die.'" 3:4 The serpent said to the woman, "You won't surely die, 3:5 for God knows that in the day you eat it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
Wasn't this what Satan the Devil implied that God was evil holding back something good from Adam and Eve? Wan't there more God hadn't told them making God partial? Here was the start of discontentment against God, so was this a spiritual thought, or a fleshly thought for Adam and Eve to contemplated about God?
Clearly, God created Adam and Eve for the earth, and earth for them as humans, and this is why, unless God gives a person a heavenly hope it is about as unnatural of thought as a fish flying into the air created for birds, and breathing air, than for the fish too build a nest, a home outside of the water.
Man has no desire to be in heaven naturally, he was created for our earth, but we are not talking about the physical heavens where a person may or may not longs to explore, we are talking instead of spiritual heavens that mankind can not understand without God's Spirit, and or being educated by some religion about the subject. Making them believe they have no choice, so they better think about it and make some good story up about how wonderful it will be.
In other words, lets take all the good things from our earth and place them into heaven so we can make the spiritual heavens real/physical, so we can identify with it, and not live in fear of going there. Moreover, this is why humans have to be constantly reminded that their dead love ones are safe in heaven because it just does not sink into their hearts and minds without physical pictures, or feeling in sight and touch; the longing to go too heaven is foreign to the human physic, not unless they want away from earth because of suffering..
Luke 24:39 See my hands and my feet, that it is truly me. Touch me and see, for a spirit doesn't have flesh and bones, as you see that I have."
Colossians 2:18 Let no one rob you of your prize by a voluntary humility and worshipping of the angels, dwelling in the things which he has not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind.
Moreover, this is the age old struggle in churches teachings for heaven, and earth, where people cling to every bit of earth they can until their dying breathe not letting go. Furthermore, heaven bound Christian's have been the brunt of song and joke; “who wants to go heaven first before pulling the tiger!”
Now once again all this is human logic which does not make it truth, but, on the other hand, no where within God's written word can we disclaim the teaching of a new heavens, and a new earth as God grand purpose for uniting both in his original purpose.
Partiality
Genesis 1:26 God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the sky, and over the livestock, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
Genesis 1:28 God blessed them. God said to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the sky, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
What is partiality, we all use the term when speaking about God fairness towards all humans. Being impartial is a very good, and noble thought about our Creator that He cannot be partial like men and religion are. But is partiality, or not being partial something that ties God's hands? So where he can only have one hope for human-race? In other words, is partiality implying God is unfair by giving angels and human different position in his Kingdom? Does being impartial mean God can only have one position for all human ion earth, or in heaven, that is, one reward, the same power, and the same position given to all angels, and too all human, hence, making God injustice if He does not give everyone the same even amount?
1Cor.15:38 But God gives it a body even as it pleased him, and to each seed a body of its own. 15:39 All flesh is not the same flesh, but there is one flesh of men, another flesh of animals, another of fish, and another of birds. 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and terrestrial bodies; but the glory of the celestial differs from that of the terrestrial. 15:41 There is one glory of the sun, another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars; for one star differs from another star in glory. 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruptibility.
Will, simply put partiality has nothing to do with position, or power God gives to those he chose to glorify and those he does not. Partiality, is a legal term in how God applies his laws to all of us evenly. In other words, if you were the king of Israel, or you were a poor widow in Israel both had to go before God's altar to appease their sins. The king held great honor, power, and was anointed, giving out God's wisdom in judgments, but God did not say he was not a sinner, or that he was not in need of innocent blood to be spelled for his sin, now did He? Moreover, no reasonable person would say the widow had to be anointed like the king for God to be impartial too her, now would they?
Impartiality applies to our God being fair in his legal judgments of mankind, It has nothing to do with God appoints of kings and priest within Christ to rule over mankind on earth. The body of Christ has many position, but all are under the New Covenant, the nation of Israel had many position, but all were under the Old Covenant, no where is the idea of impartiality mandate that God is unfair if people are given different position within God's Kingdom or under it by either covenant. Moreover, partiality does not imply anywhere God must give all mankind eternal life in heaven, or upon earth, or it is an injustice according to His covenants with mankind.
Rom.9:15 For he said to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."{Exodus 33:19} 9:16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who has mercy.
In other words, was God partial to Abraham by making a covenant with him and his seed alone, and not everyone seed? Which is, those whom may, or may not have been out of Abraham's seed, was God partial in making a covenant only with Israel, and not all the nations of the earth at Israel time? Is God than partial for making a new covenant for a ruling priesthood in Christ Jesus with everyone on earth? Doe this mean God is not applying the new covenant even handed, because he has different positions of greater, and lesser responsibility in and under His Kingdom?
Rom,9:19 You will say then to me, "Why does he still find fault? For who withstands his will?" 9:20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed ask him who formed it, "Why did you make me like this?"{Isaiah 29:16; 45:9} 9:21 Or hasn't the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel for honor, and another for dishonor?
God covenant through Moses with Israel was too benefit, who? Just Israel, or all the nations of our earth? Will, God says Israel, and then all nations of our earth. Moreover, throughout eternity all nations will be blessed by the new covenant of kings and priest. Should not the new covenant benefit all, those at Christ time, and in our time , and in the resurrection of the righteous and unrighteous. However, it does make everyone in the new covenant equal, or having the same position, as kings and priest ruling with Christ. Is everyone an eye, is everyone than a king priest, ruling with Christ? Hence, were are the subjects that benefit from a righteous ruling class of kings and priest for God's glory in setting all creation free, if all go to heaven holding the same position so mankind can say God is unfair?
Those going to heaven as kings and priest have life, now on earth and are given incorruptible life in heaven do they need to rule over each other? Setting creation free from corruption?
1 Corinthians 15:52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we will be changed.
Did the nation at Moses time all benefit from the Old Covenant, or would they benefit in the future at God time? Because we don't know when God gathers the nations out of the tribulation, and brings them under the benefits of the New Covenant does this mean God is being partial? No more so than God not bring all the nations at Moses time into the Old Covenant. Will God apply the law of the New Covenant even handed, to everyone wanting to know Him and His Son Christ Jesus, of course, He will because He is not partial when it comes to His laws. He does not judge the great or the small differently by His Covenants and/or laws of those covenants.
Was the priest of Moses time to apply the law even handed to everyone in Israel even the foreigner among them or just to God's covenant people?
Levitius 19:15 "'You shall do no injustice in judgment: you shall not be partial to the poor, nor show favoritism to the great; but you shall judge your neighbor in righteousness.
Matthew 26:28 for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is poured out for many for the remission of sins.
Such thinking of everyone must go to heaven or God is acting partially, is a lie, it simply is not taught or seen anywhere in the bible. It is not seen in the body of Christ Jesus whom God places each individual as he pleases, or in the angels of God, where they have difference position of power, and authority. Such thinking is from our fleshly mind imputing God is not fair if he exults, or does not exult certain one over others, in not applying the New Covenant impartially, which new covenant is the law of love.
God owes us nothing, but love, the same we owe each other, we do owe each person a kingship with Christ Jesus, which is not the law of love, but do owe each other and those not knowing the Christ , love, what love? The remission of sin under the new covenant that we ourselves have received from God, through Christ, which is, unmerited kindness, not position of ruler-ship given to a few whom God chooses to rule over His new earth.
Matthew 20:16 So the last will be first, and the first last. For many are called, but few are chosen."
Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few chosen."
Rom.13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
Now stop and reason for a moment, love is impartial is it not, a parent love each child the same, but not every child is the same, even in an earthly family not all have the same position. If one can go to college and another can't does not imply the parents are partial or lacking love.
Does love punish a person for which they were created for by God to perform a certain function within the body of Christ Jesus? Simply, stated no! Spirit son's of God were created by God for certain position of His choice, Adam was created by God's love for a position on this earth no matter how many came after Adam all would not be in Adam's position, as the glorified position of eternal father too the human race, provided of course he had not sinned. Does this imply unfairness and a lack of love on God's part if all did not hold Adam position as father to he human race? Faith and love for a Christian's means that we trust God will do not unrighteousness in whatever God choose to place us as humans in or under His Kingdom does it not?
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is the man, and the head of Christ is God.
Once again we are dealing with two opposing minds, the mind of the flesh which deals with unfairness by self-will-interest in gaining a greater position, and a spiritual mind created for a purpose by God's love, for God's purposes, just like a member of our own body is created to serve the body, because it has the love of the body.
1 Corinthians 12:21 The eye can't tell the hand, "I have no need for you," or again the head to the feet, "I have no need for you."
Ephesians 1:22 He put all things in subjection under his feet, and gave him to be head over all things for the assembly.
The body of Christ Jesus does not place itself into the body through each members own good works, or by fleshly talent. God chose which part of the body a person is, from the founding of the world. This type of position is not gained by knowledge, or emotions, or by anything a person can do in their own flesh, it cannot be gained by works of mankind, good or bad, it is given, because God has a purpose greater than the person thoughts about fairness of God, which is to sanctify His name into all eternity as King.
Rom.11:34 "For who has known the mind of the Lord? Or who has been his counselor?"{Isaiah 40:13}
Moreover, it they are a new creation they were created to live where God created them to live in heaven. In looking at you own body you can see the truth, each member was created by the DNA of our body for a purpose to serve the whole body. Was God playing favorites by not creating all an eye, or the brain of the body, how foolish is such fleshly thinking?
Rom. 9:9 For this is a word of promise, "At the appointed time I will come, and Sarah will have a son."{Genesis 18:10,14} 9:10 Not only so, but Rebecca also conceived by one, by our father Isaac. 9:11 For being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him who calls, 9:12 it was said to her, "The elder will serve the younger."{Genesis 25:23}
Is a foot dissatisfied, or discontented, with being a foot in our body, does it longing to walk away, to move to another type of body? Do you honestly believe those human created by God out of love for the earth (Adam and Eve) and the earth for them were not part of God's own spiritual body, before sin? Should we think they would have lived in discontentment if they hadn't sinned? Meaning in a world wide human race serving one another in love as brothers and sister in one body under God's Kingdom, which spiritual righteous flesh came out of the bodies of Adam and Eve, as their common father and mother. Do you think they would have longed to get off of paradise earth to get away from their earthly family, and go to heaven an invisible spirit word where flesh and blood does not exist?
Does a member of the body of Christ Jesus in heaven long to-get out of the Christ his brothers and sisters, cherished and loved by the Christ their husband?
Rom.9:14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? May it never be! 9:15 For he said to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."{Exodus 33:19} 9:16 So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who has mercy.
Satan introduced partiality and discontentment into the human race, dividing it into hate and death for each other, not God. Impartiality is not discontentment in position, the law of love does not allow for such competition in jealousy. Satan, on the other hand, was discontented with not being worshiped by the newly formed human race; in which he may have had a part of creating, we simple don't know? We do know he wanted worship for his knowledge, perhaps, his beauty, and his accomplishments, such discontentment had not yet been introduced, and/or planted into the first human couple hearts or minds. Simply, because nothing was lacking for those created by God's out of love. Hence, as is true of every member of Christ body which will united heaven and earth in the future.
Colossians 1:16 For by him all things were created, in the heavens and on the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and for him.
Colossians 1:20 and through him to reconcile all things to himself, by him, whether things on the earth, or things in the heavens, having made peace through the blood of his cross.
Rom.9:20 But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed ask him who formed it, "Why did you make me like this?"{Isaiah 29:16; 45:9} 9:21 Or hasn't the potter a right over the clay, from the same lump to make one part a vessel for honor, and another for dishonor? 9:22 What if God, willing to show his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath made for destruction, 9:23 and that he might make known the riches of his glory on vessels of mercy, which he prepared beforehand for glory.
Let us be reminded here as hard as this sounds, sin, which is more than just actions, it can be just a thought, even if we don't act upon it! Sin is thinking evil of God, which sin one has to atone for. Christ did not teach that sin must be acted upon to make its sin, and that is the only sin one must atone for, no! Just a thought, of lust, causes the sin of adultery. Adam and Eve has not sinned in thought or deed, until the discontentment was planted in Eves mind that she too was a god that she could be like God, choosing her own destiny like a god.
Matt. 5:19 Whoever, therefore, shall break one of these least commandments, and teach others to do so, shall be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven; but whoever shall do and teach them shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven. 5:20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, there is no way you will enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.
Matt. 5:27 "You have heard that it was said, {TR adds "to the ancients,"} 'You shall not commit adultery;'{Exodus 20:14}
5:28 but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart.
God Uniting Purpose
Do you want to say God has failed, when love cannot not fail? Do you want to believe God experimented with human race and their lives for thousands of years of pain and suffering on earth, and than calls Himself the God of love. Unfortunately, like so many unrighteous governments have done on earth, which are willing to destroy millions to experiment with a new form of government, is this your honest opinion of God?
James 1:16 Don't be deceived, my beloved brothers. 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow.
Will, if you think the earth was a failure for God, and he now going to change everyone into a spirit beings where he does not have deal with the rebellion of flesh again, than love has failed you, has it not? What a person is teaching with this thinking is, God set in order a flawed plan to fill the with earth righteous loving humans as a unity family to live in peace and harmony, but he knew it would never workout. Hence, what he really wanted was the heavens full of tested people in their flesh going through the grinding mill of earth trials.
Isaiah 55:11 so shall my word be that goes forth out of my mouth: it shall not return to me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing I sent it to do.
1cor.13:7(love) bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 13:8 Love never fails.
Gens.1:26 God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the sky, and over the livestock, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth."
1:27 God created man in his own image. In God's image he created him; male and female he created them. 1:28 God blessed them. God said to them, "Be fruitful, multiply, fill the earth, and subdue it. Have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the sky, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
Moreover, if you want to believe we simply didn't know the whole story that God really meant human to live in heaven in the first place, and that he is being partial because all can't have the ability to see and meet Jesus, than love has fail you.
Not Physically Seeing Jesus
Matthew 20:15 Isn't it lawful for me to do what I want to with what I own? Or is your eye evil, because I am good?'
Is God cheating people by not letting them see Jesus, or is this one more flesh thought about God being partial if all human aren't allowed to see Jesus face to face in his glorified form? Is God then being unfair causing you to live in discontentment longing for something that will never happen? Is God depriving you of something good while creating an injustice by letting someone have something you also deserve?
James 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God," for God can't be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one.
Is this the wisdom that comes down from above? In other words, if God does not let you do what you thinking is best for your life in choosing good and evil, he is evil and partial, like a human? Isn't that the thinking of those opposing God's authority over them? Is God a King or not, does everyone see the king even in unrighteous human society face to face, and/or in government, do all angels behold the face of God, all of them, each day, do they all have the same service too God? Is God cheating his angels, or also?
1 Corinthians 2:9 But as it is written, "Things which an eye didn't see, and an ear didn't hear, which didn't enter into the heart of man, these God has prepared for those who love him."{Isaiah 64:4}
Did Adam and Eve see God each in the garden of Eden; face to face in God's glorified position like some angels do? Or did they commune with Him is Spirit and truth each day? Did God deprive Adam and Eve of something good by not appearing too them so they could believe in His loving headship over them as King?
James 1:16 Don't be deceived, my beloved brothers. 1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow.
Such thinking has nothing to do with the law of love, which believes all things hopes all things, and endures all things, hence, the law of love is God. Yes, the law of love is YHWH, not us, or a human on earth, but God, this is how we are to trust God, not man or ourselves.
Luke11:27 It came to pass, as he said these things, a certain woman out of the multitude lifted up her voice, and said to him, "Blessed is the womb that bore you, and the breasts which nursed you!"
11:28 But he said, "On the contrary, blessed are those who hear the word of God, and keep it."
Matthew 25:37 "Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry, and feed you; or thirsty, and give you a drink?
Luke 8:10 He said, "To you it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God, but to the rest in parables; that 'seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.'{Isaiah 6:9}
We are to love our Father with our whole heart, mind and soul that He cannot do evil or be partial that he holds no good gift back for those loving him. Love does not take, it gives, and it produces life and shares every good gift, but not the exact same gift, or the same amount of something, or even the same position. Just as a fish is not a bird, and a sparrow is not a hawk, does this make God evil for creating different types of life, or flesh! Each lives in it own world for which it was created by the laws of that world, one for the air, and one for the water. Does the fish long to shed its body to become a bird like evolution teaches? Subsequently, are we testing God to see if He is good and not partial or are we worshiping God and being tested by our fleshly thoughts?
Once more let us touch base with truth, there are different gifts of the body of Christ Jesus, as God chooses too give, or not, whom can say why? Only evil person seeking glory lusting for such gifts ambitious for the sin of idolatry, being acknowledgment for their works.
1 Corinthians 12:28 God has set some in the assembly: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracle workers, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, and various kinds of languages.
1 Corinthians 12:30 Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with various languages? Do all interpret?
1 Corinthians 12:31 But earnestly desire the best gifts. Moreover, I show a most excellent way to you.
1 Corinthians 14:1 Follow after love, and earnestly desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.
The Heart of The Problem
Our sinful hearts create an image of self imputing it into a god! Here is the real problem false religion creating man made positions of clergy and laity, calling those position appointments from God, causing discontentment, and lack of peace, and harmony because those positions show partiality through unfair judgments, letting people think they are God's Kingship over mankind.
First can a Christian's in Christ, be discontented with his position in Christ what ever position that may be? Has such position been revealed on earth or in heaven as of yet? No! It has not been revealed? So how can someone boast if they do not know? How can a person have discontentment, which is a lack of faith, a working of our sinful flesh, only proving we don't have the mind of Christ? How can a Christian's be discontented if God has not revealed such information too us?
But can a Christian's be discontented with an earthly organization created by men whom power climb their way into seats of oversight, yes, than can! But does such discontentment have anything to do with God, Christ, and those he will yet reveal as his heaven government, no, not unless a person is worshiping a false idol instead of God, in Christ.
Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your thoughts in Christ Jesus.
Two Extremes Will Not Make a Truth!
If someone deprives you of something that you long for, and when you get a chance to come out of their control, does our swinging to the other extreme make it truth? Subsequently, there are two extreme that exist among Christian's religions, 1.) paradise is in heaven, teaching all believers will be resurrected into heaven, and 2.) those in the earth are a secondary calling, few go to heaven in their group, hence, the rest are not good enough so they must live on earth.
Where indeed does the bible say either teaching is true? Just because something is found in a religion, and is taught as truth, does not make it truth. We find the scriptures are void of such a detailed discussion of and earthly hope, but why?
Simply put, and earth calling was not the thought of the Greek writings, for God's anointed, no more so than was the Old Covenant meant for a heavenly calling, or was the old covenant meant for all the nations around Israel at its institution. But in the future all nations will to be blessed by God's Old Covenant, and a person can put faith in God not being a partial too fleshly linage of Abraham.
1John 2:1 My little children, I write these things to you so that you may not sin. If anyone sins, we have a Counselor{Greek Parakleton: Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Advocate, and Comfortor.} with the Father, Jesus Christ, the righteous. 2:2 And he is the atoning sacrifice{"atoning sacrifice" is from the Greek "hilasmos," an appeasing, propitiating, or the means of appeasement or propitiation--the sacrifice that turns away God's wrath because of our sin.} for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the whole world.
So why now have people felt they have been deprived of a heavenly calling, which there is no indication that there is any other calling at present for Christian's in God's time table at presented? Who is doing the depriving, God or man? But should an entire organization ignore the teachings of the Greek scriptures for a few verses that says there will be a New Heaven and New Earth in our future, which is not yet known by us? In other words, should paradise on earth be preached over the new covenant?
2 Corinthians 3:6 who also made us sufficient as servants of a new covenant; not of the letter, but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Will only, if a person is trying to be part of an elite ruling class, while on earth before their glorification as a faithful slave of Christ. In other words, having preaching an agenda rather than the truth, using such teachings for power and control of peoples lives.
Presently, Christian's have no other message than that of God's Kingdom to come, and what its purpose will be for heaven and earth, the whole pie, this is the message that all will benefits from the New Covenant, whereby, we can now bless ourselves by faith in Christ our new covenant. But for any one to say where God will places us in that kingdom is not yet known to flesh, that is , the world.
Hence, it is not yet known who Christ brothers are until Christ separates the sheep from the goats, it does not matter how strong our feeling run over this subject. Dividing the Kingdom into sect or division over who is greater or lesser in position, has nothing to do with preaching of the Kingdom to come, thy will be down, on earth, as it is in heaven to mankind.
Ifone lives by faith thinking they will live on earth let them speak, who of us can say they won't, in their once proving faithful too God? Certainly not some teachings saying all go too heaven. Will such teaching make a person clean before God? Moreover, if someone should say they will be in heaven with God, who of us can say they will be or not be? But the question is should one be teaching both callings of earth and heaven? Is that really the message of the Greek writing presently? No! The message of the apostles and Christ was the Kingdom of God, The New earth is the results of that message in future times. Many may not like it, as much, we may feel very strong about a certain calling, but the earthly hope is not the message of the Good News, which means it is not presently a calling to live on earth by gathering a Great Crowd, with an earthly calling.
Rev. 7:1 After this, I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth, or on the sea, or on any tree. 7:2 I saw another angel ascend from the sunrise, having the seal of the living God. He cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was given to harm the earth and the sea, 7:3 saying, "Don't harm the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, until we have sealed the bondservants of our God on their foreheads!" 7:4 I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred forty-four thousand, sealed out of every tribe of the children of Israel:
Rev.7:9 After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of every nation and of all tribes, peoples, and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands. 7:10 They cried with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation be to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!"
The bible teaches clearly, after the sealing of God's ruling class, his anointed priest and kings, the Great Tribulation breaks forth on this earth and a great crowd comes out of this time of trouble, being washed in the blood of lamb. Hence, something each seal member of the 144,000 has already received at their new birth in Christ Jesus.
Rev.7:13 One of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are arrayed in white robes, who are they, and from where did they come?" 7:14 I told him, "My lord, you know." He said to me, "These are those who came out of the great tribulation. They washed their robes, and made them white in the Lamb's blood.
7:15 Therefore they are before the throne of God, they serve him day and night in his temple. He who sits on the throne will spread his tabernacle over them. 7:16 They will never be hungry, neither thirsty any more; neither will the sun beat on them, nor any heat;
7:17 for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne shepherds them, and leads them to springs of waters of life. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes."
Can we teach truthfully there is a new heavens, and a new earth in God's Kingdom, yes, such is a truth can be verified without twisting the scriptures into supporting one agenda over the another. We can say just as all human understood throughout history of mankind there was a sun, all Christian's should understand that God says there is both a new heaven and a new earth that he will make one into through Christ Jesus administration.
The Greek writings of the bible were written some two thousand's years ago, and they focused on the New Covenant, and a small group of anointed followers that would make up the body of Christ Jesus in a ruling capacity, both Jews and Gentile, we have nothing more than what God has shared at that time. The paradise earth is previewed in the book of Revelation, and a Great Crowd appears after God's chosen ones are sealed, as His rulers and priest, God than turns his attention to a Great Crowd coming out of the great tribulation, making them white in the blood of the lamb the same blood of the New Covenant. Does this mean they are now in the New Covenant, and they are born again for heaven sealed, as it were like the 144,000 before them? This debate still rages among religions, but we do know for certainty. What do see is a previewed of God's Kingdom of Christ, and his king-priest (bride) coming down from heaven ruling over the earth. Which fits into Daniel revelation of a stone being cut out of God's Holy Mountain, not by human hands, hitting the earth governments, crushing all other kingdoms of our earth and than filling it with God's own Kingdom to come.
Daniel 2:34 You saw until a stone was cut out without hands, which struck the image on its feet that were of iron and clay, and broke them in pieces.
Daniel 2:35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken in pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshing floors; and the wind carried them away, so that no place was found for them: and the stone that struck the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
Is this the earthly hope of the coming great multitude found in Revelations an earthly class? From here it is sheer speculation, no matter how strong, a person conviction is in some religious teachings. It does seem reasonable, provided that reasonableness does not go into dogmatism used too persecute some that have not agreed with our views.
Subsequently, this in not the focus of most of the Greek Scriptures and any honest person knows it is for God's good reason, as God has so often done throughout the history of man,He has built faith by His future promises, causing us to wait upon Him in faith, and patience, which we are told by the apostles that which is required of of us when speaking about coming new heavens and earth, patience.
James. 5:7 Be patient therefore, brothers, until the coming of the Lord. Behold, the farmer waits for the precious fruit of the earth, being patient over it, until it receives the early and late rain. 5:8 You also be patient. Establish your hearts, for the coming of the Lord is at hand. 5:9 Don't grumble, brothers, against one another, so that you won't be judged. Behold, the judge stands at the door. 5:10 Take, brothers, for an example of suffering and of patience, the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord. 5:11 Behold, we call them blessed who endured. You have heard of the patience of Job, and have seen the Lord in the outcome, and how the Lord is full of compassion and mercy.
2Pet.3:8 But don't forget this one thing, beloved, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.3:9 The Lord is not slow concerning his promise, as some count slowness; but is patient with us, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Isaiah 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; and the former things shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
Isaiah 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, says Yahweh, so your seed and your name shall remain.
2 Peter 3:13 But, according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells.