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Dear brother,

We agree that one should not pluck out an eye, but that taking such a painful step should teaches us something about sin? And cutting off a hand is also insane, and painful, but sin is something we are born with, not removable by cutting off various parts of our bodies.

One would have to cut off their life source of the body to stop sinning because the wages of sin is death. And without death one cannot stop sinning according to the word of God. But what is the life source for the body of Christ is the question? I will try one more time to get the context clear, I am not going to debate if we cannot stop sinning by plucking out an eye or cutting off a hand, that is foolish, we can't. Nor because we can't stop sinning in our fallen flesh will I get into a debate I am teaching its OK to sin, that to is foolish, having Christ righteousness and not my own teaches me God hates all sin, and condones none not even the little look of lust or the pride of the flesh it all sin leading into death. So here goes please be patient:

Here is the issue that ends up being works of law. The question regarding disfellowshiping was not can we stop sinning in our flesh by tough actions against the flesh? That was not the point it was not about in our actions against flesh all Christian know that God's laws proved we cannot stop sinning that is a fundamental truth of the law, or that laws for the flesh punish and condemn our flesh to death, which means sin, sin is death? That is its judgment, not life for sinning, the blood proved we could not do that or one would not have to kill an animal innocent life year to year they would become perfect if the could by harsh measure against the flesh no longer needing redeemtion and mercy from the blood. The question is can the flesh stop sinning by the laws of the WTS? And are people spiritual enough in the WTS to separate the flesh from the spirit so the spirit can be saved? Flesh having many rules and laws controling it and punishing it for disobedience, where the spirit has none but love, which love cleanses us from all sin?

Colossians 2:23 Which things indeed appear like wisdom in self-imposed worship, and humility, and severity to the body; but aren't of any value against the indulgence of the flesh.

Galatians 5:17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, that you may not do the things that you desire.

We have no doubt what God did with the flesh of his anointed, he did, not us, by our efforts, impaled it! Then he raised (proving the death and ressurrection is not of man's will at all, not just the death of the flesh as some teach they can do by laws, or commandments being hard on the flesh, but they must also ressurect themselves in spirit into heaven with Christ where he seats) it is the spirit that is made into a new man, not the flesh, this had never been done before on the face of the earth until Christ was on earth. That is why its called a new creation.

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ, and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me. That life which I now live in the flesh, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.

Galatians 2:16 yet knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the law, because no flesh will be justified by the works of the law.

Romans 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile towards God; for it is not subject to God's law, neither indeed can it be.

Galatians 3:5 He therefore who supplies the Spirit to you, and works miracles among you, does he do it by the works of the law, or by hearing of faith?

New, meaning, without sin, but yet living in the sinful flesh still dying from sin, because it can't stop sinning or God would not have killed the flesh in Christ. If God had not done that we would not be sinless, in Christ as a new creation. Created not from the old flesh born into sin that cannot put away sin by is own salvation. But into a new person Jesus Christ without sin made righteous by his life in dwelling us not our flesh but Spirit, who separates the two, man or God? Who has the power in the Spirit to hand over the flesh to Satan not the WTS rules? And for what? A better flesh a little cleaner one not destine to sin, or its destruction? The anointed are sinless in Spirit in Christ, no other way.

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is a sin not leading to death.

Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ, our Lord! So then with the mind, I myself serve God's law, but with the flesh, the sin's law.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don't find it doing that which is good.

1 John 3:9 Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God.

1Cor.5:3 For I most certainly, as being absent in body but present in spirit, have already, as though I were present, judged him who has done this thing. 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, you being gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ, 5:5 are to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
5:6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast leavens the whole lump?

It is the leaven of what that permeates the whole lump sin from our fallen flesh which must come to destruction, not our flesh being made clean and better, but completely destroyed, how can that be done by any laws created to punish the sin flesh, it can't! Only Christ can do that, not us.

1 Timothy 1:9 as knowing this, that law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers.

Hebrews 7:16 who has been made, not after the law of a fleshly commandment, but after the power of an endless life:

Hebrews 7:19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.

No human can put away the filth of their flesh it is an unbiblical teaching. No person can say I have no sin, I get up in the morning and never have a bad thought, because I am tough on my flesh. No person plucks out an eye or cuts off a hand for sins coming from our hearts.

James.3:2 For in many things we all stumble. If anyone doesn't stumble in word, the same is a perfect man, able to bridle the whole body also.

James.3:14 But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your heart, don't boast and don't lie against the truth. 3:15 This wisdom is not that which comes down from above, but is earthly, sensual, and demonic. 3:16 For where jealousy and selfish ambition are, there is confusion and every evil deed.

Can a person without God Holy Spirit even understand the separating of our sinful flesh from the Spirit that is the fundamental evil of the WTS where men whom think they can perfect the flesh and make it stop sinning when God himself didn't, God killed it, impaled it in Christ and stop its continue judgment of sin by his righteous laws.

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Titus 3:5 not by works of righteousness, which we did ourselves, but according to his mercy, he saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit.

Philippians 3:9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own, that which is of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

If we could obey perfectly in our flesh, Christ giving his life for us would have been in vain. If the holy writings were enough to stop humans from sinning than Christ would not have had to suffer in the likeness of flesh. God would have just said do it or die. And that is what he did for thousand's of years until his own people got the point they could not do it, all were dying in the flesh, and nothing good dwelt in it to be reformed thus he sent us life, not death, we already had death in the flesh, and no law brought it back to life, so God sent us life, in Christ Jesus. (Spirit, not more death by laws condemning the flesh as not reformable.)

Romans 6:10 For the death that he died, he died to sin one time; but the life that he lives, he lives to God.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Romans 7:10 The commandment, which was for life, this I found to be for death;

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.

Romans 8:6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace;

Now it was not the point that its OK to sin, or if we can be tough enough on our flesh to take sin out of us by plucking out our eye? Moreover, if its OK to sin because we have been declared righteous and our judgment of our flesh has been removed? No! If
God hates sin, and our flesh cannot remove sin by commandments, than how could one teach we love sin? This work is not by man that is the point, the WTS is man completely fleshly. That witness is found in the very power of the blood which testifies against anyone thinking they can have eternal life by their own will, by there own works of obeying the commandments.

Philippians 2:13 For it is God who works in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.

Ephesians 3:20 Now to him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us.

Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared before that we would walk in them.

Ephesians 2:9 not of works, that no one would boast.

Ephesians 1:11 in whom also we were assigned an inheritance, having been foreordained according to the purpose of him who works all things after the counsel of his will;

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse. For it is written, "Cursed is everyone who doesn't continue in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them."{Deuteronomy 27:26}

God killed sin, by putting us in his son life, we do not put ourselves in Christ by some work of our flesh, and when we don't teach that, we are teaching works of the law from the fallen flesh, dead works God has judges dead in his son's sinless righteous life, by our faith, not our flesh efforts, we don't have that power. We do not sin, by being in something not sinful which cannot be our dead flesh, it is literally being in a new person that is declared righteous by God, which means without sin. That person is Christ Jesus, and no other person on earth is sanctified and made righteous without Christ life indwelling them by God's unmerited kindness, not some unmerited kindness, and a little of our works dead from our fallen flesh mixed into Christ, but by God's gift of unmerited kindness totally and completely undeserved as a person judge dead because of sin.

2 Corinthians 11:30 If I must boast, I will boast of the things that concern my weakness.

2 Corinthians 10:17 But "he who boasts, let him boast in the Lord."{Jeremiah 9:24}

1 Corinthians 4:7 For who makes you different? And what do you have that you didn't receive? But if you did receive it, why do you boast as if you had not received it?

Romans 4:2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not toward God.

Once again we are not talking about condoning sin, we are talking about how God makes us sinless by our faith in Christ Jesus, not by how good we can be on one day obeying a commandment a little better than the day before it, we are not talking about the flesh at all being made sinless by some work. We are talking about being made righteous, that is, remember, righteousness is sinless in Christ not by our righteousness, but Christ and how the WTS are men still found in the elementary doctrines of Christ repenting from dead works, our flesh, trying to perfect that which our Lord and master said was of no value at all.

1Cor. 4:1 So let a man think of us as Christ's servants, and stewards of God's mysteries. 4:2 Here, moreover, it is required of stewards, that they be found faithful. 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you, or by man's judgment. Yes, I don't judge my own self. 4:4 For I know nothing against myself. Yet I am not justified by this, but he who judges me is the Lord. 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each man will get his praise from God.

These posts are posted for one purpose to show that the WTS has no idea of this important topic, and frankly, its a subject few understand let alone teach in religion. If we can't get the very elementary teachings down than why do we push on into building a structure Christ destroyed thousand's of years ago by stripping the powers to be by his life, killing the power of our sinful flesh? This issue started the planting of seeds of weed two thousand's years ago, causing the removal of God's restraint by redemation and righteousness of the Spirit when Christ abolished the laws judgment upon our flesh judged dead by everything God taught to mankind by his righteous and good law that only a sinless man could keep. The fear of the flesh sinning and getting away with lawlessness started the ressurrection of the flesh and its works into not killing it once for all times, but making it righteous by God's law, twisting the very teaching of the what the law judged our flesh as, of no value at all in gaining God's righteousness by gift of God's Son Christ Jesus. The apostacy was not prophecy, or healing, or any other subject but this one, the fleshes ascend into righteousness, which is, a lie, and the power of the law for the flesh keeping the flesh in check enslaving the body of Christ again into sin and death laws, removing them from the Spirit where they have no condemnation in Christ into the freedom of the Spirit.

It was building up again for what was destroyed by Christ the old life of the flesh that all false religion stems from.

Heb. 6:1 Therefore leaving the doctrine of the first principles of Christ, let us press on to perfection--not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works, of faith toward God,
6:2 of the teaching of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
6:3 This will we do, if God permits. 6:4 For concerning those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit,
6:5 and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come,

Col.2:13 You were dead through your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh. He made you alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 2:14 wiping out the handwriting in ordinances which was against us; and he has taken it out of the way, nailing it to the cross; 2:15 having stripped the principalities and the powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 3:5 You know that he was revealed to take away our sins, and in him is no sin.

1 John 3:6 Whoever remains in him doesn't sin. Whoever sins hasn't seen him, neither knows him.

Your Brother in the Grace of God,

Daniel

Here is a few more points. I will try not to go on and on about this subject because I know it can be anoying, but please consider all the context of subject, because it will set one free from so much enslavement of the WTS teaching.

The problem is, when Christ was upon earth he was fulfillinging the old covenant, hence, teaching from it, and also giving us previews into the new covenant.

He gave us many examples where he forgive sins that would have cost a person life under the old covenant, showing that he was life, a new covenant and his blood it was his blood life that would soon be shed to bring it about, the law of life (Spirit). Religion goes back into those parts of Christ speaking of the law and brings them forth into the new covenant.

But the apostles once under the new covenant that is in Christ by Holy Spirit did not do that at all. It is conspicuously missing, the problems was for those under the new covenant not to bring the old back that was the central issue for those brothers.

Christ alluded to the rule of law in dealing with a brother under the old covenant. But within that same legal action was the truth of the new covenant previewing the Spirit that would soon teach his disciples. Which was: “How many times am I to forgive my brother seven time? No! Unlimited as God has you under the new covenant”.

Nor do we see the rule of law for two witness being establishes under the new covenant, why? Because they were not dealing with fleshly witness any longer, or the flesh at all, they were in Christ their new life were Spirit and truth was from them their two witness working through them, being supplied too them from God thru Christ are two witness God's children have with them forever, a greater witness that does not lie, unlike the fallen flesh required when bring a charges against fallen flesh.

Philippians 1:8 For God is my witness, how I long after all of you in the tender mercies of Christ Jesus.

Rom.8:33 Who could bring a charge against God's chosen ones? It is God who justifies. 8:34 Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, yes rather, who was raised from the dead, who is at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

No need for two witness when Peter under Holy Spirit spoke its judgment upon Ananias and his wife.

The WTS lives in the flesh, and it has cost them dearly by such accusation thinking they are upholding God's righteousness in their flesh. The point once more who disfellowships, who takes action by the very witnesses indwelling God's children? There is only one Spirit in all of us, whose power hands over the flesh? Is it the rule of law all nations uses, and religion, or is it the rule of law in Christ, the law of life, the law of the Spirit?

Daniel

Thank you my dear brother for the above comments.

Dear brothers,

I want to talk specifically to those crushed by WTS teaching left dismayed and confused.

When we come to understand that salvation means we cannot save ourselves, but it is by faith alone in Christ Jesus we start to understand all the Holy writings which will heal us in God's love.

The story of Peter walking on the water, which the WTS completely misses is all of our story when accepting Jesus Christ. Once Peter doubted, how? By looking at his own power in his flesh to hold himself up on the water he sank into the wicked sea of his flesh. Every story in God saving his people taught throughout your bible there is but one lesson? Salvation does not come from man, or any organization, but in putting faith in God, and his Son Christ Jesus to save us “completely”.

The WTS tells its members to look at them instead of Christ, put faith in their teaching and works in your flesh and you will have salvation. That is why the WTS is in the flesh like Peter when doubting Christ power to save him completely by not putting faith in his own self. Salvation is a miraculous act of God outside of human power. That is the story of your bible.

When Israel was delivered miraculously out of Egypt, what got them into trouble with God? It was putting faith in their own salvation, going back to Egypt in their hearts, wanting to prove they were good enough after millions of lives were destroyed by God to miraculously save them. This is the other theme of your bible, saved than the desire to prove oneself saved by their own effort, their own works by laws of the bible or of men.

Why do WTS member preach? What are they proving? What fear is instilled into them if they don't preach? Loss of salvation according to the teaching of the WTS. In other words, they are going to save themselves by preaching, and if not they will not be saved.

But Israel was taught by God one thing? That man does not live on bread alone, but by every utterance coming from God's mouth. He sent them miraculously bread from heaven, why? So they could not say we saved ourselves by our works in the desert.

Now please listen carefully, what was common in them is common in all humans. The WTS would like you to believe they are unique, above it all, special and chosen, but it is one more lie. Humans want to improve, not just WTS members, all humans in all endeavors want to improve by what? Their own works, in government, religion and business pushing themselves to prove they are better, and worthy.

What is common is works of law to all human society that have ever existed on earth, trying to meet some requirements religious or otherwise to be accepted and part of the group. The WTS puts itself into Christ position, claiming to tell you and me what is acceptable to God Jehovah and Christ in our faith, while instead putting faith in them so they can give you salvation.

You could have been in Israel millions, but only one thing would have saved you, your faith despite whatever one else was doing. Not faith in elder, the governing body, or even your bible, but one things, the blood of the passover lamb sprinkled on your door post by your faith alone. That is the story of your bible, not many faith's, but one that you have alone, despite all other teaching and distraction.

When one is crushed by the WTS disfellowshiping it often happen they have been wore out trying to prove themselves righteous in their flesh, something Peter could not do when trying to walk on the water. Then they fail in their flesh hard into greater sin. They give up, and are dismayed, depressed, and some even kill themselves believing they are not worthy enough to pray for fear of WTS teaching they are too wicked for God to hear them.

Salvation is not just accepting Christ it is the on going miraculous work of Christ by Holy Spirit in saving us each day and completely. Christ never taught you or me we could save ourselves by some work we do or don't do in our flesh, he saved us, because of the work he did for us because we could not do it being our flesh cannot be made clean or perfect (sinless by some good work we are doing). This is the point of a frank discussion about truth and Spirit that we may come back to God, in God strengthen, and not our own. That we come to understand the flesh does wear out, the flesh is but a flower that dies in the hot Sun than all of our loving kindness vanish in a mist. That it is the Spirit that gives us wings like and eagle, and renews us, the inner man, and God's loving kindness never vanishes it will have certain and complete success if we have faith in him alone.

Faith in the flesh has to fail, look around you, and all that flesh has created in its wisdom, its all failing. We must maintain faith in the power of an unshakable kingdom, not us, not man, not a religion, God did none of what the WTS disfellowship you for. God never ask you to be perfect in the flesh, but that he would perfect your faith in his strengthen and not your own just as he did Peter your brother. God ask us to confess our sins to loving righteous men that would pray for us and allow Christ righteousness to working in us healing us in love by his life, saving us from the death in our flesh. But remember none have more righteousness than is freely give all of us. We must put faith in Christ righteousness not any man, it is Christ that save us completely. He he will give it too you if there are no human to help you at all, his hand is not short it can find you in the deepest darkest hole of this life, so that me and you learn it is not by human bread we live, but by the salvation coming from the power of God.

Trust in Jehovah in what strengthen you have, if its a little or none it is enough by faith. He has not left you, and he will not leave you, he will not forget you, he will not mock you, he will not discourage you, come to him, while he may yet be found.

Daniel

[quote="okinawa"]Hi all

Thank you, Dan for plainly exposing the WTS as a counterfeit God's organization.

They lord it over others as God.
They condemn guiltless ones by their rules.
They are legalistic.
They expel people who have faith in Christ from their organization.

What they are doing is the same as the Pharisees condemned by Jesus were doing.

They are the people who judge according to the flesh.
They are the people who perform the works to be viewed by men.
They are like whitewashed graves, which outwardly appear beautiful.

Jesus cured a man born blind.

But it was on the Sabbath.

Because of this, legalistic Pharisees condemned Jesus for the violation of the Sabbath law.

Their fleshly view of righteousness made them blind to the good accomplished.

The flesh causes people to think that the righteousness would be achieved by the efforts for observing God's requirements.

Then, it tends to judge people by the works of the law and the sticking to the rules.

The cured man who was born blind expressed faith in Jesus.
But Pharisees didn't accept his testimony.

Rather, they looked down on him.
They said to the man born blind like "You were born totally in sin, and did you dare to teach us?"

Pharisees imagined that they were more righteous, since they knew much about the law and performed more works of the law than the man born blind.

Then they expelled this former blind beggar who expressed his faith in Jesus from their religious and social system.

What they did was not an act of isolation of leaven, but lording it over others due to high-minded of self.

They judged the matter according to the flesh, raising themselves up above the others as the final authority of judgment.

But the fact of the matter was, such a authority was a product of their imagination driven by the flesh, and it let them act arrogantly.

Do you see the similarity between Jewish society and the WTS, and Pharisees and JWs' shepherds.

Both of the systems function on legalism.

Their driving force of operation and judgment is fallen fresh.

All the institutions of Satan's World are the same, built on fresh, so that they are legalistic in every sense, which is no value in God's eyes.

People who love freedom and mercy are unable to stay in such a system.

Many people are suffering for the legalistic treatments they encounter in this Satan's fleshly world.

So the Christ is to come back to remove Satan's system which is the main obstacle of happiness.

Joh 9:1-41
1 Now as he was passing along he saw a man blind from birth. 2 And his disciples asked him: "Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, so that he was born blind?" 3 Jesus answered: "Neither this man sinned nor his parents, but [color=#FF0000]it was in order that the works of God might be made manifest in his case[/color]. 4 We must work the works of him that sent me while it is day; the night is coming when no man can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the world's light." 6 After he said these things, he spit on the ground and made a clay with the saliva, and put his clay upon the [man's] eyes 7 and said to him: "Go wash in the pool of Si?lo′am" (which is translated 'Sent forth'). And so he went off and washed, and came back seeing.

8 Therefore the neighbors and those who formerly used to see he was a beggar began to say: "This is the man that used to sit and beg, is it not?" 9 Some would say: "This is he." Others would say: "Not at all, but he is like him." The man would say: "I am [he]." 10 Consequently they began to say to him: "How, then, were your eyes opened?" 11 He answered: "The man called Jesus made a clay and smeared [it] on my eyes and said to me, 'Go to Silo′am and wash.' I therefore went and washed and gained sight." 12 At this they said to him: "Where is that [man]?" He said: "I do not know."

13 They led the once-blind man himself to the Pharisees. 14 Incidentally it was Sabbath on the day that Jesus made the clay and opened his eyes. 15 This time, therefore, the Pharisees also took up asking him how he gained sight. He said to them: "He put a clay upon my eyes, and I washed and have sight." 16 Therefore some of the Pharisees began to say: "[color=#0000FF]This is not a man from God, because he does not observe the Sabbath[/color]." Others began to say: "How can a man that is a sinner perform signs of that sort?" So there was a division among them. 17 Hence they said to the blind man again: "What do you say about him, seeing that he opened your eyes?" The [man] said: "He is a prophet."

18 However, the Jews did not believe concerning him that he had been blind and had gained sight, until they called the parents of the man that gained sight. 19 And they asked them: "Is this YOUR son who YOU say was born blind? How, then, is it he sees at present?" 20 Then in answer his parents said: "We know that this is our son and that he was born blind. 21 But how it is he now sees we do not know, or who opened his eyes we do not know. ASK him. He is of age. He must speak for himself." 22 His parents said these things because they were in fear of the Jews, for the [color=#FF0000]Jews had already come to an agreement that, if anyone confessed him as Christ, he should get expelled from the synagogue[/color]. 23 This is why his parents said: "He is of age. QUESTION him."

24 Therefore a second time they called the man that had been blind and said to him: "[color=#0000FF]Give glory to God; we know that this man is a sinner[/color]." 25 In turn he answered: "Whether he is a sinner I do not know. One thing I do know, that, whereas I was blind, I see at present." 26 Therefore they said to him: "What did he do to you? How did he open your eyes?" 27 He answered them: "I told YOU already, and yet YOU did not listen. Why do YOU want to hear it again? YOU do not want to become his disciples also, do YOU?" 28 At this they reviled him and said: "You are a disciple of that [man], but we are disciples of Moses. 29 We know that God has spoken to Moses; but as for this [man], we do not know where he is from." 30 In answer the man said to them: "This certainly is a marvel, that YOU do not know where he is from, and yet he opened my eyes. 31 We know that God does not listen to sinners, but if anyone is God-fearing and does his will, he listens to this one. 32 From of old it has never been heard that anyone opened the eyes of one born blind. 33 If this [man] were not from God, he could do nothing at all." 34 In answer they said to him: "[color=#0000FF]You were altogether born in sins, and yet are you teaching us[/color]?" And [color=#FF0000]they threw him out[/color]!

35 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and, on finding him, he said: "Are you putting faith in the Son of man?" 36 The [man] answered: "And who is he, sir, that I may put faith in him?" 37 Jesus said to him: "You have seen him and, besides, he that is speaking with you is that one." 38 Then he said: "I do put faith [in him], Lord." And he did obeisance to him. 39 And Jesus said: "[color=#FF0000]For [this] judgment I came into this world: that those not seeing might see and those seeing might become blind[/color]." 40 Those of the Pharisees who were with him heard these things, and they said to him: "[color=#0000FF]We are not blind also, are we[/color]?" 41 Jesus said to them: "If YOU were blind, YOU would have no sin. [color=#FF0000]But now YOU say, 'We see.' YOUR sin remains[/color]."

Mt 12:1-8
12 At that season Jesus went through the grainfields on the sabbath. His disciples got hungry and started to pluck heads of grain and to eat. 2 At seeing this the Pharisees said to him: "Look! Your disciples are doing what it is not lawful to do on the sabbath." 3 He said to them: "Have YOU not read what David did when he and the men with him got hungry? 4 How he entered into the house of God and they ate the loaves of presentation, something that it was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those with him, but for the priests only? 5 Or, have YOU not read in the Law that on the sabbaths the priests in the temple treat the sabbath as not sacred and continue guiltless? 6 But I tell YOU that something greater than the temple is here. 7 However, [color=#FF0000]if YOU had understood what this means, 'I want mercy, and not sacrifice,' YOU would not have condemned the guiltless ones[/color]. 8 For Lord of the sabbath is what the Son of man is."

Lu 6:6-11
6 In the course of another sabbath he entered into the synagogue and began teaching. And there was a man present whose right hand was withered. 7 The scribes and the Pharisees were now watching him closely to see whether he would cure on the sabbath, in order to find some way to accuse him. 8 He, however, knew [color=#0000FF]their reasonings[/color], yet he said to the man with the withered hand: "Get up and stand in the center." And he rose and took his stand. 9 Then Jesus said to them: "I ask YOU men, Is it lawful on the sabbath to do good or to do injury, to save or to destroy a soul?" 10 And after looking around at them all, he said to the man: "Stretch out your hand." He did so, and his hand was restored. 11 But [color=#FF0000]they became filled with madness[/color], and they began to talk over with one another what they might do to Jesus.

Mr 3:1-6
1 Once again he entered into a synagogue, and a man was there with a dried-up hand. 2 So they were watching him closely to see whether he would cure the man on the sabbath, in order that they might accuse him. 3 And he said to the man with the withered hand: "Get up [and come] to the center." 4 Next he said to them: "[color=#0000FF]Is it lawful on the sabbath to do a good deed or to do a bad deed, to save or to kill a soul[/color]?" But they kept silent. 5 And after looking around upon them with indignation, being thoroughly grieved at [color=#FF0000]the insensibility of their hearts[/color], he said to the man: "Stretch out your hand." And he stretched it out, and his hand was restored. 6 At that the Pharisees went out and immediately began holding council with the party followers of Herod against him, in order to destroy him.

Mt 23:23-24
23 "Woe to YOU, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because YOU give the tenth of the mint and the dill and the cumin, but [color=#FF0000]YOU have disregarded the weightier matters of the Law, namely, justice and mercy and faithfulness[/color]. These things it was binding to do, yet not to disregard the other things. 24 [color=#FF0000]Blind guides, who strain out the gnat but gulp down the came[/color]l!

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