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Owe No One Anything

Rom.13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.

Love has no debt, do we give our love for a payment? Do we give our love to make others change? Do we get angry when others don't love us when we do things for them? Do we love only those in our group, in our religion?

Rom.13:14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, for its lusts.

Do we have a legal definition of love doling it out by various requirements to others if they meet our standards of conduct? Many of us Christian's think we are showing love when we preach, teach, and spend time helping others, but what is our motive in doing so? Are we creating a debt to be paid us in some concision later on?

Matthew 18:32 Then his lord called him in, and said to him, 'You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt, because you begged me.

Romans 4:4 Now to him who works, the reward is not counted as grace, but as debt.

We are told by God that our love should be freely given and without a debt. In other words, the only payment God's love has, is love, anything falling short of love is an obligation, which is, if thought about a debt, and a sin!.

Luke 11:4 Forgive us our sins, for we ourselves also forgive everyone who is indebted to us. Bring us not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.'"

The World

Our world that is the system of things founded from mankind ruling themselves choosing right and wrong in their own life created a system of debt - sin. Sin itself is a debt; Adam found after sinning he could not pay back his debt of disobedience against God, nothing Adam could do after sinning would make him whole, that is, without sin, through the power of his own life; from his works, his time, his thinking, once a sinner he would always be a sinner dying.

Job 41:11 Who has first given to me, that I should repay him? Everything under the heavens is mine.

Luke 14:14 and you will be blessed, because they don't have the resources to repay you. For you will be repaid in the resurrection of the righteous."

If God was not love then Adam could never be free of debt - sin. God's love is given freely without debt of payment. Because Adam was given the highest gift, God's love, anything less on Adam's part then his own love would cause sin, a missing the mark of the perfect law of God, the Kingly law, the law of freedom, love.

Galatians 4:31 So then, brothers, we are not children of a handmaid, but of the free woman.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus made me free from the law of sin and of death.

The world speaks of love, but the love of our world is merit based, that is, based on a payment system to gain control, conformity, power, to push people into improving their lives by giving and withholding love from others. Merit love is the world we live in, and are born into from our parents; love is gained by payment of reward in government, business, and religion.

John 8:32 You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free."{Psalm 119:45}

The problem exist for Christian's when they make the worlds love God's love, and then teach it as God's love, which becomes a religion, not pure worship in Spirit and truth. Anything less than Christ, which is, God's love too us, is missing the mark -sin, it is a religion where people uses the word love, but the works and/or its fruits are merit based love, making it part of the world, and its system of things that is under darkness to God's love.

1 John 3:20 because if our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and knows all things.

1 Peter 1:22 Seeing you have purified your souls in your obedience to the truth through the Spirit in sincere brotherly affection, love one another from the heart fervently:

What We Owe?

All of us know what the wages of sin are, the payment due us, that is, what sin pays us. In other words, living life, choosing our ways, or that of others ends in death, anything less than love ends in death for God's created man made in his own image, which is love. Love among humans is not given freely, and we all honestly know that, we know its going to cost us something, and if we don't play by the “rules” each person having their own rules spoken, or unspoken, we will without doubt lose that relationship.

Romans 5:16 The gift is not as through one who sinned: for the judgment came by one to condemnation, but the free gift came of many trespasses to justification.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The flesh is bold and proud left unchecked it will proudly boast without blush about its standards of love. But here is the problems when Christian's when they do the same, and they do! The wages of sin is death, all of us must pay that debt so we cannot be fooled unless we choose to live in a fantasy world of make believe?
If we cannot free ourselves from that debt thne we stay in death under God's wrath, so how could we hold the debts of other?

1Cor.13:1 If I speak with the languages of men and of angels, but don't have love, I have become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal.
13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but don't have love, I am nothing. 13:3 If I dole out all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but don't have love, it profits me nothing. 13:4 Love is patient and is kind; love doesn't envy. Love doesn't brag, is not proud,
13:5 doesn't behave itself inappropriately, doesn't seek its own way, is not provoked, takes no account of evil;
13:6 doesn't rejoice in unrighteousness, but rejoices with the truth; 13:7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. 13:8 Love never fails.

One person lives a life of eating right, working out, never taking into their body anything that would knowlying harm them. Some never eat meat, others abuse themselves terribly throughout life, but all paid the same price for living a good life, or bad one death and rejections of friends that cannot go along with our life style good of bad. However, all received the same payment of sin, its wages, at the end of a day's works, death. Yhe work is worthy of his wages the scriptures tells us!

Ecclesiastes 9:2 All things come alike to all. There is one event to the righteous and to the wicked; to the good, to the clean, to the unclean, to him who sacrifices, and to him who doesn't sacrifice. As is the good, so is the sinner; he who takes an oath, as he who fears an oath.

The perfect body, the perfect standards which some teach that anything less is not love, or God's love will not matter at all to sins wages, we all get the same payment. Yet, think of all the confusion and deception, found in books, religion, and whatever else that has propagated lies and false teachings about proving we are a better person if we do this or that. If that is true God owes us a debt. Maybe that is why so many are angery at God, because of merit love the world lives in?

1 Timothy 4:8 For bodily exercise has some value, but godliness has value in all things, having the promise of the life which is now, and of that which is to come.

2 Tim.4:3 For the time will come when they will not listen to the sound doctrine, but, having itching ears, will heap up for themselves teachers after their own lusts;
4:4 and will turn away their ears from the truth, and turn aside to fables.

1Tim. 4:1 But the Spirit says expressly that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons, 4:2 through the hypocrisy of men who speak lies, branded in their own conscience as with a hot iron;
4:3 forbidding marriage and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be rejected, if it is received with thanksgiving.
4:5 For it is sanctified through the word of God and prayer.

Owing Nothing But Love

God's love owes us nothing but love, all the things we pray for or want is an obligation we think God owes us for which is our debt God's owes us for loving him? But its that true? What we have done is confused ourselves with our merit love as God's love. God's love is given freely to all that is why the earth and season continues to exist for all humans, that is, the wicked and the righteous.

Matt.18:2 Jesus called a little child to himself, and set him in the midst of them, 18:3 and said, "Most certainly I tell you, unless you turn, and become as little children, you will in no way enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

Luke.18:1 He also spoke a parable to them that they must always pray, and not give up,
18:2 saying, "There was a judge in a certain city who didn't fear God, and didn't respect man.
18:3 A widow was in that city, and she often came to him, saying, 'Defend me from my adversary!'
18:4 He wouldn't for a while, but afterward he said to himself, 'Though I neither fear God, nor respect man,
18:5 yet because this widow bothers me, I will defend her, or else she will wear me out by her continual coming.'"
18:6 The Lord said, "Listen to what the unrighteous judge says.
18:7 Won't God avenge his chosen ones, who are crying out to him day and night, and yet he exercises patience with them?
18:8 I tell you that he will avenge them quickly. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"

Rom.8:28 We know that all things work together for good for those who love God, to those who are called according to his purpose.

Rom. 8:31 What then shall we say about these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 8:32 He who didn't spare his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how would he not also with him freely give us all things?

Moreover, that is why the creation is God's testimony to his love, what possible evil motive for payment could God have had in creating such wonderful things that cost us nothing but love to enjoy, like seeing in color, tasting wonderful foods, loving our family and friends.

Rom.1:16 Don't be deceived, my beloved brothers.
1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights, with whom can be no variation, nor turning shadow.

Romans 12:9 Let love be without hypocrisy. Abhor that which is evil. Cling to that which is good.

Romans 12:17 Repay no one evil for evil. Respect what is honorable in the sight of all men.

Romans 12:21 Don't be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

God did not create from a debt, he created from love, which has no debt, he did not create Adam and Eev from an obligation, he created because he is love, and love must give freely without debt for its to be of God, for God is love. There was nothing but love given Adam and Eve, nothing but perfect freedom to live in God's love in a perfect image of God himself, love.

1 John 4:8 He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.

It was indeed Satan the Devil who created a debt for something he lied and said that he had whic Eve wanted. It was Satan that implied God was less then love having a nefarious plan to enslave the human race to a debt owed himself for service rendered, decieving the world into think it was being done for God. In other words, to know God, that is, to associate with God the Spirit one must walk in love at all times, if one does not walk in love neither can they know God who is love. They will get it wrong each and every time as did Satan.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.

1 John 3:11 For this is the message which you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another;

God's love is not a debt, it is a gift, freely given to produce life. Now stop and think about that? Life comes from love, not a debt, but to maintain life one must give love, not a debt back to have eternal life. If a debt be found in love, its is sin, a missing the mark of sinlessness it has a motive of something for self, which is death, not life, life must propagate life from love of God.

1 John 3:23 This is his commandment, that we should believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, even as he commanded.

1 John 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another, for love is of God; and everyone who loves is born of God, and knows God.

Falling Short of God's Glory

The glory of God is love, for God says of himself that he is love, being he is love, he is all encompassing, everything that God is is in himself love, nothing lacks or a spot darknes, of not complete love, there can be no debt in love or its lacks.

James 1:5 But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach; and it will be given to him.

Isaiah 40:26 Lift up your eyes on high, and see who has created these, who brings out their army by number. He calls them all by name. by the greatness of his might, and because he is strong in power, Not one is lacking.

James 1:4 Let endurance have its perfect work, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

To be created in God's image is to be created in God's own glory his love, lacking love means we fall short of God's glory, love. We know longer reflect the glory of God, we no longing worship him in Spirit and truth because we don't know love, and to know God we must know love!

John.1:14 The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;

Romans 5:2 through whom we also have our access by faith into this grace in which we stand. We rejoice in hope of the glory of God.

Adam and Eve chose something rather than God's love, they chose a lesser love of merit love, which immediately cost them their association with, love, God.

Jude 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life.

2 John 1:3 Grace, mercy, and peace will be with us, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Without association of God, love, they were left to the wages of their own ways, which is death. Now lets run this down instead of as so many do teach there was some evil in God's love for Adam and Eve and ultimately the human race. We will do so by asking each of us some simple questions?

Do we still love others if they don't show us appreciation for what we have given them? Do we stay with our commitments and promises we made them when they show us disrespect? Let us be honest here? No! We have merit love, and we demand certain things, and we will shut our love off if they fail in our standards of love, and/or showing us appreciation for our good efforts.

Matt.5:44 But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you,
5:45 that you may be children of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Don't even the tax collectors do the same?
5:47 If you only greet your friends, what more do you do than others? Don't even the tax collectors do the same?
5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

Did God shut off his love for Adam and Eve after sinning? Here is the ultimate question? No! Adam and Eve chose to live their life without God's love, God's love allowed that, now think of that? If God were not love, if he had been giving his love as a debt Adam and Eve would have been enslaved to God by their sin, but they were not. They were enslaved to their own ways, not God's way or his rule, for God owe us nothing but love.

The debt of sin God did not create, for there is no death-sin, in God for he is love, the debt was created by Adam and Eves sin, not God's, for God does not sin. Outside of God is death, God is love, nothing in God dies.

Matthew 22:32 'I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?'{Exodus 3:6} God is not the God of the dead, but of the living."
1 John 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God doesn't sin, but he who was born of God keeps himself, and the evil one doesn't touch him.

1 John 3:9 Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God.

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since death came by man, the resurrection of the dead also came by man.

1 Corinthians 15:26 The last enemy that will be abolished is death.

In other words, God did not say; “I told you so, you own me big times.” Adam and Eve chose the payment, they chose a life of sin, and debt, and all the fruit that goes with their own ways. If they had chose to live in love, in God, the fruit of love would have been the fruit of God's Spirit, nothing was lacking, or would have been lacking for them because God's love cannot fail, love is not evil, like the wages of sin is in all is darkness and lacking in everything good and righteous.

Colossians 1:22 yet now he has reconciled in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and without blemish and blameless before him.

2 Timothy 1:10 but has now been revealed by the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who abolished death, and brought life and immortality to light through the Good News.

Hebrews 2:9 But we see him who has been made a little lower than the angels, Jesus, because of the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that by the grace of God he should taste of death for everyone.

Free Gift of Christ

What does God owe us, love, if God is love, he must and will express his love for mankind, he will do so freely because that is what love is, real love, God's love. Now let us not linger in the past because love does not, love is positive always in the present, because it is the living incorruptible life of God himself.

Micah 7:19 He will again have compassion on us. He will tread our iniquities under foot; and you will cast all their sins into the depths of the sea.

Revelation 21:5 He who sits on the throne said, "Behold, I am making all things new." He said, "Write, for these words of God are faithful and true."

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old things have passed away. Behold, all things have become new.

Without debt, there is no past, love given freely there is only this moment, life, there is no worry in perfect life, for there can be no fear of judgment in love, but we have to be in love, not acting like love, or reading of love in our bibles. If we are not in God, that is, in love, we have fear of judgment because we cannot feel or know the love of God, its that simple, it so simple that the flesh and its evils complicate everything into a maze of debt of shadows always changing.

1 Peter 4:8 And above all things be earnest in your love among yourselves, for love covers a multitude of sins.

1 John 4:18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casts out fear, because fear has punishment. He who fears is not made perfect in love.

We could not be in God, once sin enter into the world, that is, all mankind is lacking the glory of God's image love. None of us could pay the debt to show enough love from our merit based love, so many have stolen the love of God's glory by false religion, government and commerce offering us a measure of love in taking care of our needs of association, comfort, friendship, and so on . . .

But all lack the glory of God Adam had, which was being in God's love. If Adam had kept this perfect image of God, that is, God's love all of us would have been created through Adam's loin in the perfect image of God, love.

1 John 4:9 By this God's love was revealed in us, that God has sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him.

Adam could not be fixed, he must receive the wages of his own ways, which was sin, missing the mark of God's, love, the perfect gift of eternal life sustained by the Spirit and the fruits of love. Adam flesh was not reformed, it went back to the ground that God created it from, redemption must come from the Spirit not the flesh. The tools Christ gave us is Spirit not flesh, they are not used to reform our flesh into a perfect person that eats, plays, pays, says, and looks what fleshly eye sight thinking a perfect person created by reforming the flesh by words of God found in our bibles.

Romans 8:6 For the mind of the flesh is death, but the mind of the Spirit is life and peace;

Romans 8:7 because the mind of the flesh is hostile towards God; for it is not subject to God's law, neither indeed can it be.

God gave us eternal life, by giving us, Christ Jesus life, as redemption for sin. The body in the flesh is absolved of its debt, by Christ paying the price to redeem us into his own spirit body, so we can be in God's love. This is how Christ loved us, he did not ask for a payment of debt for giving us freely his life, he did not cause us an obligation in debt if we did not appreciate the gift of life, he did not set up a religion to dole out his free gift of life too us. He did not try and remove the log of sin from us by constantly judging of our unworthiness of our flesh.

Matt.18:22 Jesus said to him, "I don't tell you until seven times, but, until seventy times seven.
18:23 Therefore the Kingdom of Heaven is like a certain king, who wanted to reconcile accounts with his servants.
18:24 When he had begun to reconcile, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents.{Ten thousand talents represents an extremely large sum of money, equivalent to about 60,000,000 denarii, where one denarius was typical of one day's wages for agricultural labor.}
18:25 But because he couldn't pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, with his wife, his children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.
18:26 The servant therefore fell down and kneeled before him, saying, 'Lord, have patience with me, and I will repay you all!'
18:27 The lord of that servant, being moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.
18:28 "But that servant went out, and found one of his fellow servants, who owed him one hundred denarii,{100 denarii was about one sixtieth of a talent.} and he grabbed him, and took him by the throat, saying, 'Pay me what you owe!'
18:29 "So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, 'Have patience with me, and I will repay you!'
18:30 He would not, but went and cast him into prison, until he should pay back that which was due.
18:31 So when his fellow servants saw what was done, they were exceedingly sorry, and came and told to their lord all that was done.
18:32 Then his lord called him in, and said to him, 'You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt, because you begged me.
18:33 Shouldn't you also have had mercy on your fellow servant, even as I had mercy on you?'
18:34 His lord was angry, and delivered him to the tormentors, until he should pay all that was due to him.
18:35 So my heavenly Father will also do to you, if you don't each forgive your brother from your hearts for his misdeeds."

Christ spoke truth and lived in the present, in love, God's love, fixing the problem with life, not judgment, of past sins, he spoke truth to the point! He stated the flesh is of no value at all in serving God, it is not of God, and God is not recreating the flesh on earth to make a better more productive business, government or religion. The flesh is a debt which pays the debt by death, life cannot come from a debt of sin, or its wages.

John 6:63 It is the spirit who gives life. The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and are life.

Life must come from love, and if we don't know love, or walk in love we are not in him, God's love to us, Christ Jesus. Do we enslave others by payment of our love? Do we uses unrighteous power of the debt of sin, we've all done that to get what we want, or do we freely give? What does our brothers and sisters owe us?

1Cor. 13:1 If I speak with the languages of men and of angels, but don't have love, I have become sounding brass, or a clanging cymbal.
13:2 If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but don't have love, I am nothing. 13:3 If I dole out all my goods to feed the poor, and if I give my body to be burned, but don't have love, it profits me nothing.

Rom.13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.
13:9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not give false testimony," "You shall not covet,"{TR adds "You shall not give false testimony,"}{Exodus 20:13-15,17; Deuteronomy 5:17-19,21} and whatever other commandments there are, are all summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."{Leviticus 19:18} 13:10 Love doesn't harm a neighbor. Love therefore is the fulfillment of the law.

If we love as God and Christ we can't be part of this world, we are valueless to this world, but life does not come from this world. The standards of God's love is not a dream, or a fantasy it is what the life of Christ teaches us and brings us to, if we walk in the Spirit. Nothing takes power away from our flesh faster then God's love, it strips Satan system of things of it core elements that binds it together, but at the same time it brings much pain and suffering in our own flesh by trying to walk in love.

1 Peter 4:19 Therefore let them also who suffer according to the will of God in doing good entrust their souls to him, as to a faithful Creator.

Luke 9:22 saying, "The Son of Man must suffer many things, and be rejected by the elders, chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and the third day be raised up."

Luke 17:25 But first, he must suffer many things and be rejected by this generation.

But have courage, for we have a helper, we have a head that conquered this world without a debt of payment, who stayed a perfect course in walking in perfect love Christ Jesus.

2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus, whom we did not preach, or if you receive a different spirit, which you did not receive, or a different "good news", which you did not accept, you put up with that well enough.

Galatians 1:8 But even though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you any "good news" other than that which we preached to you, let him be cursed.
Philippians 1:15 Some indeed preach Christ even out of envy and strife, and some also out of good will.

Philippians 1:16 The former insincerely preach Christ from selfish ambition, thinking that they add affliction to my chains;

Romans 10:8 But what does it say? "The word is near you, in your mouth, and in your heart;"{Deuteronomy 30:14} that is, the word of faith, which we preach: