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Isolation

Proverb 18:1. Whoever isolates himself seeks his own desire;
he breaks out against all sound judgment.

The unscrupulous uses of this proverb above regarding isolation by religion to ensnare the dim-witted and ignorant is pathic. It is truly sad when those wheeling the power of God's word the bible put forth so little intellectual effort that they ensnare others to falsehood and they themselves are mislead into doing the work of the wicked one all in the name of good counsel.

Proverbs 17:24 Wisdom is before the face of one who has understanding, but the eyes of a fool wander to the ends of the earth.

One simple example will clear this ridiculousness up! A person is enslaved into a cult religion, the religion brain wash their members, they have taught and repeated many falsehoods, and have been convicted of crimes and have cover them up.

1 Corinthians 10:16 The cup of blessing which we bless, isn't it a sharing of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, isn't it a sharing of the body of Christ?

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1 Corinthians 10:21 You can't both drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons. You can't both partake of the table of the Lord, and of the table of demons.

Now apply the scripture in proverbs about isolation to that circumstances. Would you with a clear conscience tell a person that if they isolated themselves from that evil group they are seeking their own selfish desires?

Proverbs 3:7 Don't be wise in your own eyes. Fear Yahweh, and depart from evil.

Proverbs 3:29 Don't devise evil against your neighbor, seeing he dwells securely by you.

Proverbs 4:14 Don't enter into the path of the wicked. Don't walk in the way of evil men.

Proverbs 8:13 The fear of Yahweh is to hate evil. I hate pride, arrogance, the evil way, and the perverse mouth.

Lets take it a step further for those blinded in hate when using such biblical teachings! Who of us would tell our child not to break association with a bad group of kids, or would you uses a blanket statement telling them that this verse applies in their circumstances they are being selfish to break association?

Proverbs 25:19 Confidence in someone unfaithful in time of trouble is like a bad tooth, or a lame foot.

Hopefully, point made that any reasonable person would consider who they are breaking association with good or bad? Is God pleased with his people when they stay in bad association?

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Psalms 10:13 Why does the wicked person condemn God, and say in his heart, "God won't call me into account?"

Proverbs 20:26 A wise king winnows out the wicked, and drives the threshing wheel over them.

Proverbs 21:4 A high look, and a proud heart, the lamp of the wicked, is sin.

Proverbs 21:7 The violence of the wicked will drive them away, because they refuse to do what is right.

Proverbs 21:27 The sacrifice of the wicked is an abomination: how much more, when he brings it with a wicked mind!

Context and a reasonable mind must be used before counseling others when the person doing the counseling is themselves seeking their own selfish longings. Yes, cult religion, and most group for that matter all uses the same tact's to hold ones captive to their association and ideas.

Proverbs 5:22 The evil deeds of the wicked ensnare him. The cords of his sin hold him firmly.

Proverbs 22:25 lest you learn his ways, and ensnare your soul.

1 Corinthians 7:35 This I say for your own profit; not that I may ensnare you, but for that which is appropriate, and that you may attend to the Lord without distraction.

Such unscrupulous uses of God's word is against God himself. It is used by those seeking to control every movement of a person life and once they start losing control, they do what? They turn to God's authority found in the scriptures out of desperation and blindly with hate attack the person for being less than godly person by verses found in the bible, just like the one above.
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Acts 7:51 "You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit! As your fathers did, so you do.

Acts 7:57 But they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and rushed at him with one accord.

At one time God had a people a place that his pure worship was found on earth. It was designated by God himself to represent him on earth before all the nations. However, there is not one word in the Christian's Greek scriptures after the Holy Spirit was poured out that we find such a place designated by God on earth, Christ, nor his apostles spoke of it that one must go to be saved, accept Christ Jesus, who is now in heaven and not one earth himself a spirit person and the truth.

John.4:19 The woman said to him, "Sir, I perceive that you are a prophet. 4:20 Our fathers worshiped in this mountain, and you Jews say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship."
4:21 Jesus said to her, "Woman, believe me, the hour comes, when neither in this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, will you worship the Father.

John.4:23 But the hour comes, and now is, when the true worshippers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such to be his worshippers.

Those worshiping in Spirit and truth have no place, no mountain, religion and/or person, place or thing to turn away from, but those in false religion on earth claiming to be God's kingdom representative while proving false to the power found in heaven in Christ Jesus, Christ Jesus is the one place designated by God for true worshipers, that is, where God's temple is at we worship at! It is, or should be obvisious to any lover of truth that turning away from Christ if one is in him is very selfish!

1 Corinthians 3:16 Don't you know that you are a temple of God, and that God's Spirit lives in you?

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1 Corinthians 3:17 If anyone destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him; for God's temple is holy, which you are.

2 Corinthians 6:16 What agreement has a temple of God with idols? For you are a temple of the living God. Even as God said, "I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they will be my people."{Leviticus 26:12; Jeremiah 32:38; Ezekiel 37:27}

Christian's are told to test every spirit to see if they are from God or not? Moreover, if they are not of Christ and God's. God tells us to turn away from them. Yes, not to associate with such a person (correctly isolate themselves from bad association). The idea of turning away and seeking ones own selfish long breaking out against practical wisdom becomes a joke, a mockery of the truth when misapplied to God's children for them to continue to associate in false religion over Christ. It can only be rightly applied to turning away from Christ for God's children not someone or something on earth. It must be applied to Christ and no one else on earth. (Now that is truly selfish to turn away from God's love for the love of something in this world.)

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

1 Corinthians 5:6 Your boasting is not good. Don't you know that a little yeast leavens the whole lump?

1 Corinthians 5:7 Purge out the old yeast, that you may be a new lump, even as you are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, has been sacrificed in our place.

Galatians 5:4 You are alienated from Christ, you who desire to be justified by the law. You have fallen away from grace.

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Galatians 3:22 But the Scriptures imprisoned all things under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Galatians 5:1 Stand firm therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and don't be entangled again with a yoke of bondage.

Yes, it would be turning away from him (Christ) that an anointed child of God is found standing away from, the apostate from Christ that is how they would seek their own selfish longings in their flesh to associate with fleshly religion which is totally selfish. False religion destroys the spiritual lives of billions to look good in the flesh, to make a pleasing appearacne in the flesh to the world.

2 Corinthians 5:16 Therefore we know no one after the flesh from now on. Even though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now we know him so no more.

Romans 13:14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, for its lusts.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwells no good thing. For desire is present with me, but I don't find it doing that which is good.

There is no other right and correct application of God's word in this matter. Association is only good and proper for a Christian's when it is in Christ, but no where else. How does one determine if their association with someone calling themselves a "child of God" is good or bad, in Christ or in the person flesh, or the demons in their controlling or misleading the person flesh?

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1 Peter 4:11 If anyone speaks, let it be as it were the very words of God. If anyone serves, let it be as of the strength which God supplies, that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belong the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen.

It is determined by their head Christ Jesus in Christ anointing that they are part of.

They test the spirits to see who is of God, and who is not? That is the power God gives to all his children upon their baptism into Christ. It is furthermore, the power that protects them so they can overcome all those wicked and evil force that are in heaven and on earth influcencing everyone flesh on earth!

1 John 4:1 Beloved, don't believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

1 John 2:20 You have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all have knowledge.{Or, "know what is true." Or, "know all things."}

1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing which you received from him remains in you, and you don't need for anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is no lie, and even as it taught you, you will remain in him.

The perverse and blanket application by those in false religion, that is, fleshly religion, is to mislead if possible God's holy ones from the power of Christ life living in them. While they themselves are mislead by such falsehoods of false religion, and just like all falsehood it wants as many partner in crime as it can get to make ones evil acceptable by numbers.

Evil can't come to the light it can only attack the light by twisting the truth of God's words.
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1 John 5:6 This is he who came by water and blood, Jesus Christ; not with the water only, but with the water and the blood. It is the Spirit who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

1 John 4:4 You are of God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is he who is in you than he who is in the world.

Matthew 11:15 He who has ears to hear, let him hear.

1 John 5:4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. This is the victory that has overcome the world: your faith.

1 John 4:5 They are of the world. Therefore they speak of the world, and the world hears them.

1 John 3:1 Behold, how great a love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! For this cause the world doesn't know us, because it didn't know him.

1 John 3:13 Don't be surprised, my brothers, if the world hates you.

Daniel