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Cleaning The House With Dirty Water And A Dirty Mop

Matt.7:13 "Enter in by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter in by it.

Life can be difficult especially when people are constantly experimenting with what controls our lives day to day, such as government. Its like the old statement that says “if its not broken don't fix it stupid”.

But we know such logic doesn't apply in this life to the most important things that control our daily lives. It is painful and heart breaking when a group of people with some idealistic thought decides to fix the wheel and you have experience the same experiment over and over again in your life with the same miserable results ruination the first time, and every time!

Jeremiah 10:23 Yahweh, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it is not in man who walks to direct his steps.

But there seem to be an invisible hand that pushes people into such ridiculousness that we wonder why even record history in the first -1.)

place if the next generation is going to try and prove it wrong causing all manner of pain and sorrow based on pride and ego thinking they know better?

Eccl..1:2 "Vanity of vanities," says the Preacher; "Vanity of vanities, all is vanity."

It like 2 + 2 = 4, numbers don't lie, right? Well, people do, and there are many educated people now saying; 2 + 2 is to dogmatic, and if we teach our children such pragmatism it will hurt their creativity later on in life!

OK so what is the point? The point is, everyone has an opinion when we have an opinion it is our truth. Behind that so called truth is a host of ideas, motives, emotions, influences, and so on that we can't possibly know? Let us be clear here all those with such agenda driven truth's will by human nature defend it as right. They will each and everytime listen to counter arguments taking those arguments, gathering its points to prove they are right.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but he who is wise listens to counsel.

The more one argues their point the more unyielding the person becomes in it! Its as if the 2 + 2 = 4, suddenly equal six (6) instead, getting the exact opposites results that one had hoped for in convincing other of their point of view.

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seems right to a man, but in the end it leads to death.

[b][u]What's One Man Truth Is, is Another Person Lie!
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Human's are found in a dichotomy of agenda's driven truth's causing them much anxiety and pain in this world. What is one day the truth advocated as undeniable, later becomes a falsehood. The pain the destruction of relationship, time, energy, and money wasted beyond human imagination only to find out that it was a lie, an untruth that one would have not dared to rebut without losing life and limb while it was the fade!

Matt. 7:16 By their fruits you will know them. Do you gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles?

Evidence did not matter, nor the most logical provable facts did not matter at the time, it was a fade, a popular belief that humans wanted to believe and so they did, and those making profit were all to happy to give us what we wanted for material gains. Yet, this process is touted by the highly educated as society evolving into a more enlighten human race. But the equation does not add up the most ridiculous ideas and teaching are coming from the highly educated repeating the same old mistake of the past as it has always been throughout the history of mankind.

Ecclesiastes 1:9 That which has been is that which shall be; and that which has been done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

[b][u]What are we driving at?[/u][/b]

One would think that thousand's upon thousand's of years of evidence would prove to the human race that one cannot clean a house with dirty water and a dirty mop?

Job 14:4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? Not one.

James 3:11 Does a spring send out from the same opening fresh and bitter water?
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But for some reason we believe such nonsense and practice it that corruption can clean up corruption without a blush of all the human suffering and failure time and again. When humans have an agenda and it is popular they will not let it go under any circumstances even the death and destruction of their neighbor.

John 5:44 How can you believe, who receive glory from one another, and you don't seek the glory that comes from the only God?

[b][u]The Hard Facts[/u][/b]

“A corrupt tree cannot produce good fruit”! The one man called the truth who could not lie stated that truth thousand's of years ago. Yes, an obvious truth, but a hidden truth to those with an agenda's.

Each generation has tried without success to produce a corrupt tree which produces good fruit. In other words, taking dirty water and cleaning up the houses, and/or believing that corruption can clean up corruption.

Proverbs 16:2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but Yahweh weighs the motives.

Matt.7:18 A good tree can't produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit.

[b][i]That man called the truth, was the Son of God Jesus Christ whom his Father YHWH called him the truth. So let us clear up this great mystery in a few short thoughts.

One. 1.) sin is corruption accord to the truth; Christ Jesus. Sin is the filth of our flesh according to God.

Two 2.) Adam the first man was put out of association with God because he sinned.
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Three 3.) Once sin was in Adam he could not remove it by his own corrupt nature. That is, he could not wash his house clean with dirty water coming from himself found in corruption of sin.
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Truth! A corrupt tree cannot produce good fruit, and a good tree cannot produce evil, i.e., corrupt fruit.

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Thousand's upon thousand's of years later into our day, not one corrupt tree has produced a sinless person! No! Not one person has had the power within themselves to put themselves back into association with God as Adam had before he sinned and made himself a corrupted tree.

Psalms 49:7 none of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give God a ransom for him.

One can bring in all the evidence from the history of mankind, all the exculpatory evidence, in books, scrolls, stone, unearth tombs, dead sea scrolls, every great and power nation history to have ever existed on earth. But not one, No, not one corrupt tree, has produce a good tree producing only good fruit!

There are many agenda's and ideas in the hearts of mankind, but for certainty God's standard of truth is based upon incorruption far above mankind that cannot produce a bad fruit. Only one truth, God is good; God has no lie in him, clears up every lie on earth coming from the corruption of sin found in all peoples hearts.

Proverbs 30:6 Don't you add to his words, lest he reprove you, and you be found a liar.
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1 John 1:10 If we say that we haven't sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Where is that one person without corruption of sin? Where is the one person that can stand righteous by God's standard of truth? Where is that one person that can say before God: “I am free of sin, I have washed myself clean by the efforts of my own good intentions”?

James. 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, "I am tempted by God," for God can't be tempted by evil, and he himself tempts no one.

The arguments of religious teaching has made human unyielding in their defense that something good dwells in our flesh that will redeem us from sin corruption if we work hard enough at doing good works from the words of God found in our bibles.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under a curse. For it is written, "Cursed is everyone who doesn't continue in all things that are written in the book of the law, to do them."{Deuteronomy 27:26}

That each good works removes dirt from our house, or temple of God the body. That each bad habit overcame brings us into a greater and closer relationship with God. We simple know without doubt that God is reforming us into a better tree because we “want” to believe that teaching from our religion, we love God, we have strong emotions more than other, we are special we can feel that we are different than others and for such reason something of my old life in sin makes me worthy to work hard to wash myself clean!

Rom. 10:1 Brothers, my heart's desire and my prayer to God is for Israel, that they may be saved.
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10:2 For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.
10:3 For being ignorant of God's righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, they didn't subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

So are we saying a corrupt tree can produce good fruit if the tree does enough good works for God? Are we to imagine for a moment that all those before us didn't have enough “knowledge” to do enough good works for God? That all those before us didn't have enough good motives to remove sin from themselves?

Romans 3:23 for all have sinned, and fall short of the glory of God;

No! We are not the center of the universe, we are as God has told us, a flower appearing for a moment then we are gone, like a mist, all of our loving kindness is nothing in time. Eternal life was not something Adam worked for, nor was it Adam's as his earned merit for obeying God. No! Adam could not demand eternal life because he felt good about himself. It was a gift that God created and gave to Adam freely.

Isa.40:6 The voice of one saying, "Cry!" One said, "What shall I cry?" "All flesh is like grass, and all its glory is like the flower of the field.
40:7 The grass withers, the flower fades, because Yahweh's breath blows on it. Surely the people are like grass. 40:8 The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God stands forever."

God was the uncorrupted tree of life, all of his fruit produce life eternal not Adam's, or an angels, not one person was good, but God!

Isa.40:13 Who has directed the Spirit of Yahweh, or has taught him as his counselor? 40:14 Who did he take counsel with, and who instructed him, and taught him in the path of justice, and taught him knowledge, and showed him the way of understanding?
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Matthew 19:17 He said to him, "Why do you call me good? No one is good but one, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

[b][u]Can Corruption Produce God's Love?
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Adam found in his sins corruption (not God's love, life) that he was no longer “in God's love”. God is love, but was Adam in God love in sins corruption? Did Adams love remove his sins? Did all of what God personally taught knowledge while Adam associated with God before sinning, was it going to remove his sins once in sin?

Do weeds produce wheat the more you plant them or grow them?

Corruption does not produce a good tree. Once Adam was in sin his love did not remove his sins. His zeal for God did not remove his sins. His thinking of God every minute of the day and night did not remove his sins. His praying to God did not remove his sins. His hard work did not remove sins. His being a good neighbor did not remove his sins. His deepest sorrow, love, hates, and/or works, did not remove his sin. Adam was a corrupt tree that could not produce the good fruits of God to save himself, he was but a god knowing good and evil that would died in his own ways of sins! Adam was a worthless idol he should of fled from.

James.4:6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, "God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble."{Proverbs 3:34}

No don't be fooled here our love does not mean we are entitled to eternal life free from sin, or that our love is God's love, which God's love is incorruptible. Now lets make this point perfectly clear because Christian's are persistently stubborn on this subject.
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From Genesis until Christ came to our earth where did anyone of God's people call God love? That is, if we don't know love we can't know God, are we saying they didn't know God?

1 John 4:8 He who doesn't love doesn't know God, for God is love.

No we will not find it, so why is that point of love so insignificant where Christian's take is so much for granted, isn't that odd? God's love was not found by Moses, Abraham, David, Solomon, none of the prophets, kings, or priest? It has been reveal to us yet we take it for granted, how spoil our we?

Revelation 2:4 But I have this against you, that you left your first love.

Does knowledge produce God's love as so many teach and believe? Did these great men lack in knowledge of God's ways? Do we want to believe that Christian's simply evolved into the new and profound understanding of God; is that our agenda? That if we study enough, dig up enough history of religion and mankind, go to the best college in the world would we know God's is love? In other words, we have more knowledge today so we now know God is love where they did not before Christ?

1 John 4:16 We know and have believed the love which God has for us. God is love, and he who remains in love remains in God, and God remains in him.

What is missing here? Lets really think about that question? There is only one thing missing, and without that one thing none of us, no not one of us no matter how important we might imagine ourselves to be without it we cannot understand God as love! That one thing is an incorruptible life the incorruptible life of Christ Jesus!
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John.1:14 The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.

John. 17:25 Righteous Father, the world hasn't known you, but I knew you; and these knew that you sent me. 17:26 I made known to them your name, and will make it known; that the love with which you loved me may be in them, and I in them."

Adam did not earn life, Adam did not work to have life, Adam was given God's love as a gift, not a work, not a study, Adam was given God's love as a gift of love from God. A “fruit: (fruit coming from a tree), do we get it? A corrupt tree cannot produce good fruit (can a corrupt tree give the gift of God's love too us?). Love is a fruit of God, who is what? Love. All things in love are gifts basic 101 Christianity!

Romans 5:15 But the free gift isn't like the trespass. For if by the trespass of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God, and the gift by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The fruit of love is not us in a corrupt tree, it is God's gift too us, if we are “in Christ Jesus” (the true vine) and that is why, God's people did not know him as love before Christ came and died for us. (none of them were “in Christ”) Christ is the gift of God's love the complete and everlasting gift to us sinner, nothing more can be added or taken away from God's love, and if that isn't enough we are into self as an idol.
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1Cor.3:21 Therefore let no one boast in men. For all things are yours, 3:22 whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come. All are yours,
3:23 and you are Christ's, and Christ is God's.

Gal.5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,{or, faithfulness} 5:23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Moreover, that is why false religion has perverted the love of God into every unclean thing since it started. They have taken the unclean waters of sin and claimed by applying the bibles truth's that one can be made clean and know the love of God by written knowledge. Yes, they are stating they can clean their house with dirty water and a dirty mop.

Revelation 18:2 He cried with a mighty voice, saying, "Fallen, fallen is Babylon the great, and she has become a habitation of demons, a prison of every unclean spirit, and a prison of every unclean and hateful bird!

That point has been proved deadly wrong and not true simply because all those faithful men and woman in the past did not know the love of God, not even John the Baptist! It took Christ Jesus being put to death in his flesh, made alive in the Spirit changed by the power of God into a new creation of incorruptibility entrusting Christ with the love of God's, to give us the gift of God's love so we could come to know God as love by being “in God's love”!

Ephesians 1:4 even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and without blemish before him in love;

Ephesians 3:17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; to the end that you, being rooted and grounded in love.
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Ephesians 3:19 and to know Christ's love which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

Ephesians 4:15 but speaking truth in love, we may grow up in all things into him, who is the head, Christ;

Ephesians 4:16 from whom all the body, being fitted and knit together through that which every joint supplies, according to the working in measure of each individual part, makes the body increase to the building up of itself in love.

That is why Jesus made it clear that if we are not in him the true vine we cannot do any work for God (Christ is in God). A corrupt tree cannot produce good fruit. We cannot find anywhere within the earth a person that does God's works without being attached to the vine of Christ. (Christ being made into God's works, and we in him to do God's works)

John. 15:1 "I am the true vine, and my Father is the farmer.
15:2 Every branch in me that doesn't bear fruit, he takes away. Every branch that bears fruit, he prunes, that it may bear more fruit. 15:3 You are already pruned clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 15:4 Remain in me, and I in you. As the branch can't bear fruit by itself, unless it remains in the vine, so neither can you, unless you remain in me. 15:5 I am the vine. You are the branches. He who remains in me, and I in him, the same bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.

That is why we have to be “in God's love” Now lets say that again. Please, lets get the real meaning not a theory, or a philosophical thought, we must be “in God's love, to know the love of God, and be his child, birth into the body of Christ God's love to mankind! If we are not in Christ Jesus we do not know God's love just as the nation of Israel didn't know God as love, but had vast knowledge of him.
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John. 5:38 You don't have his word living in you; because you don't believe him whom he sent. 5:39 "You search the Scriptures, because you think that in them you have eternal life; and these are they which testify about me. 5:40 Yet you will not come to me, that you may have life. 5:41 I don't receive glory from men.
5:42 But I know you, that you don't have God's love in yourselves.

Not one faithful person prior to Christ was a child of God, and/or knew God as love. If such love is based on merit something we can do or perform than we are setting ourselves up, stating that we are better than God's people prior to Christ, we have made ourselves an idol like Adam made himself in listening to something less than God in Spirit and truth!

Romans 4:4 Now to him who works, the reward is not counted as grace, but as debt.

Romans 4:6 Even as David also pronounces blessing on the man to whom God counts righteousness apart from works.

Romans 9:11 For being not yet born, neither having done anything good or bad, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him who calls.

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

God must reveal his love to us, and that is why we find that truth in our bibles, which we are clearly told God loved us first. Salvation is a word lost among works of law Christian's its not about Christ saving us without any hope in our sins.
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but about the works of human do by their own will applying laws and commandments from our bibles that save us, a complete lie, but the most persistent lie every told by those thinking human love, human feelings, human reasoning is God mind!

1Cor.2:12 But we received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit which is from God, that we might know the things that were freely given to us by God. 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches, but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual things. 2:14 Now the natural man doesn't receive the things of God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to him, and he can't know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

We are alienated from God in corruption of sin, we cannot reason ourselves into incorruption because we have a human mind or we read of God mind in our bibles. It is that God does everything as he please in giving us life, his Son, his love in his Son, we have nothing to boast in ( in the flesh, and/or our old life), we have no works we can do good or bad that gives us God's loves.

It is inexplicable beyond all human reasoning something one can not even explain by the simplest human terms it is a personal relationship in the life of Christ God's love in Christ Jesus something the entire world is blinded to, a world that cannot know the truth of Christ by its own sinful mind in the best writings, in the best teachers, in the best religions, the best of the best the greatest among mankind they are lost hopelessly in darkness without the light of Christ in them.

Ephesians 5:8 For you were once darkness, but are now light in the Lord. Walk as children of light.

Colossians 1:12 giving thanks to the Father, who made us fit to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light;
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1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God's own possession, that you may proclaim the excellence of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light:

1 John 1:5 This is the message which we have heard from him and announce to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.

It is about God's integrity in keeping his promises to us, its about God's love given us without judgment of our flesh freely in Christ. It about God's mind in Christ that he has forgiven us once for all times. It is about our struggle and endurance in faith to believe the love of God.

Galatians 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could make alive, most certainly righteousness would have been of the law.

Hebrews 6:12 that you won't be sluggish, but imitators of those who through faith and patience inherited the promises.

2 Peter 1:4 by which he has granted to us his precious and exceedingly great promises; that through these you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world by lust.

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